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Toyota loses its way
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john
2010-02-12 02:29:59 UTC
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Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.

"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards

Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.

Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."

From The Detroit News:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyota-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
dbu''
2010-02-12 14:04:22 UTC
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Post by john
Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.
"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo
ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite
a few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another
Toyota without question.
--
Wayne
2010-02-12 16:15:27 UTC
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Post by dbu''
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Post by john
Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.
"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo
ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite
a few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another
Toyota without question.
--
Yep me too. After all, I have much more confidence in hardware built by
Toyota, and ECU software written by Toyota than if it were built/written by
Microsoft. (or GM)
Vic Smith
2010-02-12 16:21:52 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by dbu''
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Post by john
Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.
"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo
ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite
a few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another
Toyota without question.
--
Yep me too. After all, I have much more confidence in hardware built by
Toyota, and ECU software written by Toyota than if it were built/written by
Microsoft. (or GM)
And I like La Villa thin crust, cheese and sausage.
It's harder finding good thin crust than a good car.

--Vic
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-02-13 00:34:59 UTC
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Post by Vic Smith
Post by Wayne
Yep me too. After all, I have much more confidence in hardware built by
Toyota, and ECU software written by Toyota than if it were built/written by
Microsoft. (or GM)
And I like La Villa thin crust, cheese and sausage.
It's harder finding good thin crust than a good car.
--Vic
That did it, Vic...Now I know you're a whacko!

Either that, or a Neopolitano.

I'm Italian thanks to a half Italian mother. She likes the thin crust,
whereas I like Sicilian, great big crust like you're chewing on half a
loaf of bread.

I also like clam sauce with my spaghetti...
Ed Maier
2010-02-12 18:09:30 UTC
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Post by dbu''
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Post by john
Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.
"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo
ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite
a few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another
Toyota without question.
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza, '65 Mustang conv. 289 CID 4 speed, '69 Grand Torino, '74
Gremlin, '79 Pinto Cruising Wagon, '84(?) Bronco II, '89(?) Saturn, '91
Camry, '?? T-Bird, '99 Mazda Tribute, '2004 4Runner, 2004 Highlander,
and a 2008 Avalon. Couple of others in that mix I don't remember. The
Toyotas were the least troublesome by far.

Ed Maier
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-02-13 00:30:36 UTC
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Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
Ed Maier
2010-02-13 01:49:35 UTC
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Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.

Ed Maier
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-02-13 02:24:21 UTC
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Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Ed Maier
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on the...er...yeah.

It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.

However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
(I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
parts...)
Ed Maier
2010-02-13 06:04:16 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Ed Maier
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on the...er...yeah.
It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
(I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
parts...)
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed
like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did
find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but
it was very disconcerting.

Ed Maier
Al Falfa
2010-02-13 15:10:23 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Ed Maier
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
the...er...yeah.
It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
(I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
parts...)
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed like
there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did find
out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but it was
very disconcerting.
Ed Maier
How effective could the steering be when the car is floating?
AMuzi
2010-02-13 16:12:31 UTC
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Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
the...er...yeah.
It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
(I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
parts...)
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed
like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did
find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but
it was very disconcerting.
Add the air dam in the front. Dramatically improves handling
at speed. The '65~69 style will fit.
--
Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Jeff Strickland
2010-02-13 19:44:44 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Ed Maier
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
the...er...yeah.
It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
(I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
parts...)
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed like
there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did find
out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but it was
very disconcerting.
You have to wait for the car to land before the steering works again ...
Ed Maier
2010-02-13 23:52:15 UTC
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Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Ed Maier
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
the...er...yeah.
It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
(I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
parts...)
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed like
there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did find
out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but it was
very disconcerting.
You have to wait for the car to land before the steering works again ...
Well obviously that was the steering lag thing, but the "float" had me
mystified. Munzi in an earlier post mentioned an air dam install fix,
but I traded it in on a Mustang to get it out of my hair. I had
tentatively written it off because I was using tires from different
manufacturers on front and rear. (In any event, I was just guessing, and
I was ready for a new car anyhow.)

Ed Maier
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-02-14 07:18:01 UTC
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Post by Ed Maier
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Ed Maier
Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
Corvair Monza,
You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
God no.
Ed Maier
Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
the...er...yeah.
It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair. (I live about
10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair parts...)
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed
like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did
find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but
it was very disconcerting.
You have to wait for the car to land before the steering works again ...
Well obviously that was the steering lag thing, but the "float" had me
mystified. Munzi in an earlier post mentioned an air dam install fix, but
I traded it in on a Mustang to get it out of my hair. I had tentatively
written it off because I was using tires from different manufacturers on
front and rear. (In any event, I was just guessing, and I was ready for a
new car anyhow.)
Ed Maier
That didn't help! And the skinny tires of the day sure weren't condusive
to more 'spritied' driving, even Tiger Paws!
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-02-13 00:32:12 UTC
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Post by dbu''
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Post by john
Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.
"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo
ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite
a few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another
Toyota without question.
Yup. Same here. Will not hesitate to buy another Toy, that is, if they
have what I want.

I'm thinking the next one might be a S00B, AWD wagon, unless Toyota either
puts the XRs engine back in the AWD Matrix, or brings back the Celica...
Toyota
2010-02-18 07:13:40 UTC
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Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;)  I wonder if there will be
charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
in the Mitsubishi case.
"For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
its former president, had been arrested and charged."
From The Detroit News:http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/au...
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