Lexus 2008 GS 460 ranked last again?

[j***@hotmail.com]

8 speed tranny is good marketing, but I guess the 100 ms shifts make
it a clunker: "The tranny doesn't keep up, endlessly hunting for that
ideal gear (remember, there are eight of them) and delivering
lethargic shifts when in manual mode."

"With the votes in, though, the Lexus is akin to bringing sake to a
cabernet competition. Sure, it's technically wine, but it doesn't
really match up, lacking the requisite flavor, color, and vivacity to
stir the judges."

Too bad the GS 460 came in last in this review group. I guess being
the cheapest of the group, GS does help those who can't afford better
and who don't push cars to the limit:

Full article:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0807_luxury_sport_sedan_comparison/index.html

[mcbrue]

WHAT !!!!!!??????? You mean that the 460 which has an 8 speed is not
perfect ? Just wait till Glga comes in to spew or whatever he does
after getting a skin full of whatever it is he drinks. This 460 is
quite predictible. The 430 with its 6 speed is realllllllly inferior
to the old S Klass German kar that I traded on it. Der old cherman kar
had a 5 speed but was smooth as butter when shifting. The Lexus bumps
and thumps and when driving along at a constant speed will actually
jerk and bang into a lower gear! Kind of like driving an old Chevy or
something.

[j***@hotmail.com]

Today's performance transmission design is towards dual-clutch Direct
Shift Gearboxes (DSG). The advanced Borg Warner designs can upshift in
as little as 8 ms (!!!) instead of the 100 ms in the Toyota 8-speed.
But again, I don't think anybody ever claimed Toyota had a performance
transmission, but they do doll up their cars nicely.

I agree ZF Friedrichshafen has some really great transmissions and
produce variants of the dual-clutch design as well as the LePelletier
design. And the Getrag manuals are the gold standard (some Honda Civic
manuals do come close).

Don't mind the little jerks. They probably don't have their parents'
permission to post anyway.

Post by mcbrue
WHAT !!!!!!??????? You mean that the 460 which has an 8 speed is not
perfect ? Just wait till Glga comes in to spew or whatever he does
after getting a skin full of whatever it is he drinks. This 460 is
quite predictible. The 430 with its 6 speed is realllllllly inferior
to the old S Klass German kar that I traded on it. Der old cherman kar
had a 5 speed but was smooth as butter when shifting. The Lexus bumps
and thumps and when driving along at a constant speed will actually
jerk and bang into a lower gear! Kind of like driving an old Chevy or
something.

[DaveW]

On Mon, 26 May 2008 19:46:13 -0700 (PDT), ***@hotmail.com wrote:

<snip>

What do you drive, john?

[mcbrue]

What do you drive, DaveW?

Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

[DaveW]

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.

I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[GIga]

My guess is that his father abused him as a child.

But seriously folks!

Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the need
to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in finding
meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their sales are
tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating to me, as I
happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely no trouble
smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've had my LS600 up
to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous, illegal, dumb, whatever),
and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint of a shift all the way up,
and all the way down. It's like those idiots who claim that they hear the
difference between varieties of speakers with similar ratings and rolloffs.
They can't -- they just want to show everyone how smart they are, and how
inferior everyone else is to them. Thus you have Long Dong and
McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers on the board (although, I fear
there are more than just these two). I'm guessing that Dongle does not
drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 12 years old (if
not physically, at least mentally), and I'm pretty sure his mommy would be
very angry if she knew that little Johnnie was posting nasties on the
internet.

BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned since
1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance (while more
expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and flawlessly. But then
again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm biased. Right Brewski?

GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[Anonymous]

"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."

You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

Post by GIga
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
But seriously folks!
Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the
need to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in
finding meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their sales
are tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating to me,
as I happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely no
trouble smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've had
my LS600 up to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous, illegal,
dumb, whatever), and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint of a shift
all the way up, and all the way down. It's like those idiots who claim
that they hear the difference between varieties of speakers with similar
ratings and rolloffs. They can't -- they just want to show everyone how
smart they are, and how inferior everyone else is to them. Thus you have
Long Dong and McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers on the board
(although, I fear there are more than just these two). I'm guessing that
Dongle does not drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere in the vicinity
of 12 years old (if not physically, at least mentally), and I'm pretty
sure his mommy would be very angry if she knew that little Johnnie was
posting nasties on the internet.
BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned since
1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance (while more
expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and flawlessly. But then
again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm biased. Right Brewski?
GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[GIga]

Actually, he tailgated me onto the highway, changed two lanes to the left,
and nailed it. After I blew past him (yeah, I know that was childish of
me), I slowed down, and he pulled up next to me and gave me a "surprised"
look.

You're probably right -- he was clearly just out for a Sunday drive. How
silly of me, Mr. Anon-e-mouse.

GIga

Post by Anonymous
"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

Post by GIga
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
But seriously folks!
Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the
need to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in
finding meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their
sales are tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating
to me, as I happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely
no trouble smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've
had my LS600 up to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous,
illegal, dumb, whatever), and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint
of a shift all the way up, and all the way down. It's like those idiots
who claim that they hear the difference between varieties of speakers
with similar ratings and rolloffs. They can't -- they just want to show
everyone how smart they are, and how inferior everyone else is to them.
Thus you have Long Dong and McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers
on the board (although, I fear there are more than just these two). I'm
guessing that Dongle does not drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere in
the vicinity of 12 years old (if not physically, at least mentally), and
I'm pretty sure his mommy would be very angry if she knew that little
Johnnie was posting nasties on the internet.
BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned
since 1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance (while
more expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and flawlessly. But
then again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm biased. Right Brewski?
GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[Anonymous]

Post by GIga
Actually, he tailgated me onto the highway, changed two lanes to the left,
and nailed it. After I blew past him (yeah, I know that was childish of
me), I slowed down, and he pulled up next to me and gave me a "surprised"
look.
You're probably right -- he was clearly just out for a Sunday drive. How
silly of me, Mr. Anon-e-mouse.
GIga

That's rich.... Didn't you realize you were racing one of those
new Korean made "Porches". <g>

Post by GIga

Post by Anonymous
"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

Post by GIga
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
But seriously folks!
Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the
need to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in
finding meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their
sales are tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating
to me, as I happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely
no trouble smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've
had my LS600 up to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous,
illegal, dumb, whatever), and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint
of a shift all the way up, and all the way down. It's like those idiots
who claim that they hear the difference between varieties of speakers
with similar ratings and rolloffs. They can't -- they just want to show
everyone how smart they are, and how inferior everyone else is to them.
Thus you have Long Dong and McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers
on the board (although, I fear there are more than just these two). I'm
guessing that Dongle does not drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere
in the vicinity of 12 years old (if not physically, at least mentally),
and I'm pretty sure his mommy would be very angry if she knew that
little Johnnie was posting nasties on the internet.
BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned
since 1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance
(while more expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and
flawlessly. But then again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm
biased. Right Brewski?
GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[stuart8181]

How old are you?

Post by GIga
Actually, he tailgated me onto the highway, changed two lanes to the left,
and nailed it. After I blew past him (yeah, I know that was childish of
me), I slowed down, and he pulled up next to me and gave me a "surprised"
look.
You're probably right -- he was clearly just out for a Sunday drive. How
silly of me, Mr. Anon-e-mouse.
GIga

Post by Anonymous
"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

Post by GIga
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
But seriously folks!
Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the
need to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in
finding meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their
sales are tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating
to me, as I happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely
no trouble smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've
had my LS600 up to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous,
illegal, dumb, whatever), and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint
of a shift all the way up, and all the way down. It's like those idiots
who claim that they hear the difference between varieties of speakers
with similar ratings and rolloffs. They can't -- they just want to show
everyone how smart they are, and how inferior everyone else is to them.
Thus you have Long Dong and McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers
on the board (although, I fear there are more than just these two).

I'm

Post by GIga

Post by Anonymous

Post by GIga
guessing that Dongle does not drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere in
the vicinity of 12 years old (if not physically, at least mentally), and
I'm pretty sure his mommy would be very angry if she knew that little
Johnnie was posting nasties on the internet.
BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned
since 1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance (while
more expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and flawlessly.

But

Post by GIga

Post by Anonymous

Post by GIga
then again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm biased. Right Brewski?
GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[GIga]

How much do you weigh? What's your IQ? Are you still a virgin?

And...

What do YOU drive?

GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

Post by stuart8181
How old are you?

[stuart8181]

Lexus
"GIga" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
How much do you weigh? What's your IQ? Are you still a virgin?

And...

What do YOU drive?

GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

Post by stuart8181
How old are you?

[GIga]

Really now. A Lexus. How generic.

I'm guessing an '89 ES250?

GIga
"stuart8181" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
Lexus
"GIga" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
How much do you weigh? What's your IQ? Are you still a virgin?

And...

What do YOU drive?

GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

Post by stuart8181
How old are you?

[stuart8181]

Wrong again !!!
"GIga" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
Really now. A Lexus. How generic.

I'm guessing an '89 ES250?

GIga
"stuart8181" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
Lexus
"GIga" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
How much do you weigh? What's your IQ? Are you still a virgin?

And...

What do YOU drive?

GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

Post by stuart8181
How old are you?

[GIga]

Again? Can't be. Never been wrong before, probably not wrong now. Whatever you're driving, I'm sure it's old, beat up, and stupid. Like you.

Nyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
"stuart8181" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:D-***@comcast.com...
Wrong again !!!
"GIga" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
Really now. A Lexus. How generic.

I'm guessing an '89 ES250?

GIga
"stuart8181" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
Lexus
"GIga" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
How much do you weigh? What's your IQ? Are you still a virgin?

And...

What do YOU drive?

GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

Post by stuart8181
How old are you?

[W. Wells]

If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas do it all the time.

Post by Anonymous
"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

Post by GIga
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
But seriously folks!
Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the
need to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in
finding meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their
sales are tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating
to me, as I happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely
no trouble smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've
had my LS600 up to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous,
illegal, dumb, whatever), and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint
of a shift all the way up, and all the way down. It's like those idiots
who claim that they hear the difference between varieties of speakers
with similar ratings and rolloffs. They can't -- they just want to show
everyone how smart they are, and how inferior everyone else is to them.
Thus you have Long Dong and McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers
on the board (although, I fear there are more than just these two). I'm
guessing that Dongle does not drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere in
the vicinity of 12 years old (if not physically, at least mentally), and
I'm pretty sure his mommy would be very angry if she knew that little
Johnnie was posting nasties on the internet.
BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned
since 1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance (while
more expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and flawlessly. But
then again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm biased. Right Brewski?
GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[Anonymous]

Post by W. Wells
If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas do it all the time.

Any Lexus' full sized, bloated sedans there also?

Post by W. Wells

Post by Anonymous
"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

Post by GIga
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
But seriously folks!
Some people are "mis-matchers". Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining. Long Dong clearly has the
need to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in
finding meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their
sales are tanking, blah blah blah. The whole 100mS thing is fascinating
to me, as I happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely
no trouble smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise). I've
had my LS600 up to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous,
illegal, dumb, whatever), and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint
of a shift all the way up, and all the way down. It's like those idiots
who claim that they hear the difference between varieties of speakers
with similar ratings and rolloffs. They can't -- they just want to show
everyone how smart they are, and how inferior everyone else is to them.
Thus you have Long Dong and McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers
on the board (although, I fear there are more than just these two). I'm
guessing that Dongle does not drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere
in the vicinity of 12 years old (if not physically, at least mentally),
and I'm pretty sure his mommy would be very angry if she knew that
little Johnnie was posting nasties on the internet.
BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned
since 1990. They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance
(while more expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and
flawlessly. But then again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm
biased. Right Brewski?
GIga

Post by DaveW

Post by mcbrue
What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

Post by mcbrue
Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.
I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.

[St. John Smythe]

Post by Anonymous

Post by W. Wells
If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas do it all the time.

Any Lexus' full sized, bloated sedans there also?

They're not GT cars. DUuuh!

[Anonymous]

Post by St. John Smythe

Post by Anonymous

Post by W. Wells
If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas do it all the time.

Any Lexus' full sized, bloated sedans there also?

They're not GT cars. DUuuh!
--
sjs

Precisely my point; thank you.