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New Mercedes Worse than 9yo Lexus
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Max
2007-06-16 11:36:27 UTC
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Excerpts from
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/06/11/100082886/index.htm
Consumer Reports discovered, after polling its readers, that Mercedes
is the least reliable car brand sold in America. A Mercedes
spokeswoman complained that "there's something wrong with the survey."
In reply, David Champion, CR's head of auto testing, observed that
Mercedes' quality is so bad that a brand new Mercedes SUV is less
reliable than a nine-year-old Lexus LS 400.
Jerohm
2007-06-16 22:10:45 UTC
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Excerpts from
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/06/11/100082886/index.htm
Consumer Reports discovered, after polling its readers, that Mercedes
is the least reliable car brand sold in America. A Mercedes
spokeswoman complained that "there's something wrong with the survey."
In reply, David Champion, CR's head of auto testing, observed that
Mercedes' quality is so bad that a brand new Mercedes SUV is less
reliable than a nine-year-old Lexus LS 400.
but, but, ... it IS a "true" luxury automobile!!

;-o
Max
2007-06-16 22:53:21 UTC
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Post by Jerohm
Excerpts from
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/06/11/100082886/index.htm
Consumer Reports discovered, after polling its readers, that Mercedes
is the least reliable car brand sold in America. A Mercedes
spokeswoman complained that "there's something wrong with the survey."
In reply, David Champion, CR's head of auto testing, observed that
Mercedes' quality is so bad that a brand new Mercedes SUV is less
reliable than a nine-year-old Lexus LS 400.
but, but, ... it IS a "true" luxury automobile!!
;-o
define true luxury automobile? There's little doubt that an LS is a
true luxury car. If it isn't, I don't know what your definition is
since it would be different than any auto site, auto consumer service
or magazine.
DaveW
2007-06-16 23:04:43 UTC
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Post by Max
define true luxury automobile? There's little doubt that an LS is a
true luxury car. If it isn't, I don't know what your definition is
since it would be different than any auto site, auto consumer service
or magazine.
He was being facetious - making fun of our resident troll, mcbrue.
Max
2007-06-16 23:36:14 UTC
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Post by DaveW
Post by Max
define true luxury automobile? There's little doubt that an LS is a
true luxury car. If it isn't, I don't know what your definition is
since it would be different than any auto site, auto consumer service
or magazine.
He was being facetious - making fun of our resident troll, mcbrue.
aw crap. Sorry..got all spun up for nothing.
mcbrue
2007-06-17 02:55:15 UTC
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He is right. The S Klass Mercedes is a true luxury car and the LS430
is NOT a luxury car. But the MB is not reliable, while the Lexus is.
Sure the LS is better than a Neon, but it is built for show, not go.
That is, the bits and pieces are all there, all put in it. But they
need to open the box and figure out how to make the bits and pieces
fit together to work right! The windshield and wiper system alone have
at least 5 major flaws. And you can go on and on and on and on from
there. But the LS does run and doesn't break - not much so far.
Chip L
2007-06-21 23:50:20 UTC
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I work in automotive and toured the Mercedes plant in Alabama on
Tuesday.

I was aware of Mercedes average quality rankings. An article in USA
today this week shed some light on the issue. European buyers demand
high tech features while american buyers expect performance. The
increased technology increases the chance of a failure.

Chip L
k***@gmail.com
2007-07-05 17:54:21 UTC
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According to the latest JD Power report most new MB are better than
the majority of cars on the road. In fact the S-CLass has the least
number of problems than any car on the road better than Lexus and the
rest.

So who is correct CR or JD Power.
Post by Chip L
I work in automotive and toured the Mercedes plant in Alabama on
Tuesday.
I was aware of Mercedes average quality rankings. An article in USA
today this week shed some light on the issue. European buyers demand
high tech features while american buyers expect performance. The
increased technology increases the chance of a failure.
Chip L
Geo
2007-10-28 11:55:16 UTC
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J.D. Power is initial quality. CR owner surveys cover many years of
ownership.

I guess if you plan to trade after 90 days, trust J.D. Power, otherwise go
with CR.
--
- George Litwinski

"I know that management has always been behind me. I've felt them there many
times."

Officer Spermwhale Whalen in Joseph
Wambough's The Choirboys
Post by k***@gmail.com
According to the latest JD Power report most new MB are better than
the majority of cars on the road. In fact the S-CLass has the least
number of problems than any car on the road better than Lexus and the
rest.
So who is correct CR or JD Power.
Post by Chip L
I work in automotive and toured the Mercedes plant in Alabama on
Tuesday.
I was aware of Mercedes average quality rankings. An article in USA
today this week shed some light on the issue. European buyers demand
high tech features while american buyers expect performance. The
increased technology increases the chance of a failure.
Chip L
FKS
2007-06-19 03:05:20 UTC
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Post by Jerohm
Excerpts from
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/06/11/100082886/index.htm
Consumer Reports discovered, after polling its readers, that Mercedes
is the least reliable car brand sold in America. A Mercedes
spokeswoman complained that "there's something wrong with the survey."
In reply, David Champion, CR's head of auto testing, observed that
Mercedes' quality is so bad that a brand new Mercedes SUV is less
reliable than a nine-year-old Lexus LS 400.
but, but, ... it IS a "true" luxury automobile!!
luxury car = unreliable car....that's for sure. Just ask any
Jaguar/Ferrari/Porsche owners.
BE
2007-06-20 23:35:43 UTC
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Post by FKS
Post by Jerohm
Excerpts from
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/06/11/100082886
/index.htm
Consumer Reports discovered, after polling its readers, that Mercedes
is the least reliable car brand sold in America. A Mercedes
spokeswoman complained that "there's something wrong with the survey."
In reply, David Champion, CR's head of auto testing, observed that
Mercedes' quality is so bad that a brand new Mercedes SUV is less
reliable than a nine-year-old Lexus LS 400.
but, but, ... it IS a "true" luxury automobile!!
luxury car = unreliable car....that's for sure. Just ask any
Jaguar/Ferrari/Porsche owners.
Don't forget BMW!
Geo
2007-10-28 11:58:50 UTC
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Reality check:


We have a 2003 BMW 330i and a 2004 RX330. The BMW is driven much harder and
has had far fewer problems than the RX330.

Also have a 1992 LS400 (had it since 1994). That car has been very reliable.
Lexus build quality has fallen.
--
- George Litwinski

"I know that management has always been behind me. I've felt them there many
times."

Officer Spermwhale Whalen in Joseph
Wambough's The Choirboys
Post by BE
Post by FKS
Post by Jerohm
Excerpts from
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/06/11/100082886
/index.htm
Consumer Reports discovered, after polling its readers, that Mercedes
is the least reliable car brand sold in America. A Mercedes
spokeswoman complained that "there's something wrong with the survey."
In reply, David Champion, CR's head of auto testing, observed that
Mercedes' quality is so bad that a brand new Mercedes SUV is less
reliable than a nine-year-old Lexus LS 400.
but, but, ... it IS a "true" luxury automobile!!
luxury car = unreliable car....that's for sure. Just ask any
Jaguar/Ferrari/Porsche owners.
Don't forget BMW!
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