If you're hungry for power or fuel efficiency, beware of a scam like this one:

[richard]

Improve Gas Mileage by 20+%
You can now increase your gas mileage by 20% or more, guarantied. Four (4)
month trial period. Money back guaranty. Call the number above or send me
an email its a simple connection to a vacuum line, the Gas Saver adds
microscopic
quantities of platinum to the air-fuel mixture entering your engine.
Platinum has the unique ability to make non-burning fuel burn. With
platinum in
the flame zone, you increase the percentage of fuel burning inside the
engine from 68% of each gallon to 90% of each gallon, a 22% increase.
Since unburned fuel leaving an engine is pollution, this 22% of each
gallon would
normally burn when it reaches the platinum of the catalytic converter.
Unfortunately, the converter's platinum burns this fuel in the tailpipe,
where the heat
and energy produced from burning this fuel cannot be harnessed to drive
your vehicle.

I have never heard of such thing. Energy is produced inside the engine
which causes the compression to move the flying disc. Not in the tailpipe
as he claims, even if his thing burns the unburn fuel in the tailpipe, it
will throw away that extra energy. This guy wants to give you 4-month
trial, not even for a second will I try it.

Some people believe they can increase the mileage through a magnet, that's
another phony theory. You can tell from the uneducated sellers.

[Striker]

I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this
technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never rule
anything out completely.
http://www.engineerlive.com/Energy-Solutions/Automation_Systems/Magnetic_fuel_treatment_management_system_reduces_energy_consumption/19711/

Striker

Post by richard

Improve Gas Mileage by 20+%
You can now increase your gas mileage by 20% or more, guarantied. Four (4)
month trial period. Money back guaranty. Call the number above or send me
an email its a simple connection to a vacuum line, the Gas Saver adds
microscopic
quantities of platinum to the air-fuel mixture entering your engine.
Platinum has the unique ability to make non-burning fuel burn. With
platinum in
the flame zone, you increase the percentage of fuel burning inside the
engine from 68% of each gallon to 90% of each gallon, a 22% increase.
Since unburned fuel leaving an engine is pollution, this 22% of each
gallon would
normally burn when it reaches the platinum of the catalytic converter.
Unfortunately, the converter's platinum burns this fuel in the tailpipe,
where the heat
and energy produced from burning this fuel cannot be harnessed to drive
your vehicle.

I have never heard of such thing. Energy is produced inside the engine
which causes the compression to move the flying disc. Not in the tailpipe
as he claims, even if his thing burns the unburn fuel in the tailpipe, it
will throw away that extra energy. This guy wants to give you 4-month
trial, not even for a second will I try it.
Some people believe they can increase the mileage through a magnet, that's
another phony theory. You can tell from the uneducated sellers.

[GasSaver]

Post by Striker
I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this
technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never rule
anything out completely.
http://www.engineerlive.com/Energy-Solutions/Automation_Systems/Magnetic_fuel_treatment_management_system_reduces_energy_consumption/19711/
Striker

You can use magnet to remove tiny metals off from your fuel, but there is
no way that a magnet can change the bonding of Gasoline molecules. Why?
Because in every Gasoline molecule, carbon is the only Atom that holds on
to itself (or to its own kind(carbon)) and to other atoms very securely.

Sounds like people need to go back to chemistry class. Why many goofy
people tried to use fancy word to lie to general public?

[Jay Alperson]

For a more complete consideration of magnetic fuel devices, check out
http://www.fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm

Post by GasSaver

Post by Striker
I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this
technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never rule
anything out completely.
http://www.engineerlive.com/Energy-Solutions/Automation_Systems/Magnetic_fuel_treatment_management_system_reduces_energy_consumption/19711/
Striker

You can use magnet to remove tiny metals off from your fuel, but there is
no way that a magnet can change the bonding of Gasoline molecules. Why?
Because in every Gasoline molecule, carbon is the only Atom that holds on
to itself (or to its own kind(carbon)) and to other atoms very securely.
Sounds like people need to go back to chemistry class. Why many goofy
people tried to use fancy word to lie to general public?

[GasSaver]

Post by Jay Alperson

Post by Striker
I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this
technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never rule
anything out completely.
http://www.engineerlive.com/Energy-Solutions/Automation_Systems/Magnetic_fuel_treatment_management_system_reduces_energy_consumption/19711/
Striker

You can use magnet to remove tiny metals off your fuel, but there is
no way that a magnet can change the bonding of Gasoline molecules.
Why?
Because in every Gasoline molecule, carbon is the only Atom that holds on
to itself (or to its own kind(carbon)) and to other atoms very securely.
Sounds like people need to go back to chemistry class. Why many goofy
people tried to use fancy word to lie to general public?

For a more complete consideration of magnetic fuel devices, check out
http://www.fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm

Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't
notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune to
research the cure for oil crisis. If you believe your magnet works, please
bring your car to show off with our car (that we have doubled in mileage.)
Can you bring yours to Seattle KOMO TV or KIRO 7 TV sometimes next week?
This way we can prove who is real.

Thanks.

GasSaver

[boris]

Post by GasSaver
Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't
notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune to
research the cure for oil crisis. If you believe your magnet works, please
bring your car to show off with our car (that we have doubled in mileage.)
Can you bring yours to Seattle KOMO TV or KIRO 7 TV sometimes next week?
This way we can prove who is real.
Thanks.
GasSaver

Hi,

I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of battery used in
hybrids can be recharged at most several hundred times?- so after that it
needs to be replaced. How many years would such a battery last?

Thanks,
Boris

[Anonymous]

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver
Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't
notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune to
research the cure for oil crisis. If you believe your magnet works, please
bring your car to show off with our car (that we have doubled in mileage.)
Can you bring yours to Seattle KOMO TV or KIRO 7 TV sometimes next week?
This way we can prove who is real.
Thanks.
GasSaver

Hi,
I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of battery used in
hybrids can be recharged at most several hundred times?- so after that it
needs to be replaced. How many years would such a battery last?
Thanks,
Boris

Don't know the battery specifics, but I have a
neighbor who recently purchased a midsize
Ford hybrid. It's like an Escape or ??, it's about
the size of a Honda Pilot.

He told me that the thing has a 96HP electric
motor which, of course, does most of the start
and stop heavy work. He also says that the
batter(y)(ies), in the rear of the vehicle, are
covered by a special warranty for eight years,
or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three
years, or 36K miles.

[GasSaver]

Post by Anonymous

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver
Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't
notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune to
research the cure for oil crisis. If you believe your magnet works, please
bring your car to show off with our car (that we have doubled in mileage.)
Can you bring yours to Seattle KOMO TV or KIRO 7 TV sometimes next week?
This way we can prove who is real.
Thanks.
GasSaver

Hi,
I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of battery used in
hybrids can be recharged at most several hundred times?- so after that it
needs to be replaced. How many years would such a battery last?
Thanks,
Boris

Don't know the battery specifics, but I have a
neighbor who recently purchased a midsize
Ford hybrid. It's like an Escape or ??, it's about
the size of a Honda Pilot.
He told me that the thing has a 96HP electric
motor which, of course, does most of the start
and stop heavy work. He also says that the
batter(y)(ies), in the rear of the vehicle, are
covered by a special warranty for eight years,
or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three
years, or 36K miles.

Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to test
our knowledge. Every battery has its limitation, if you brake hard (you
put in 2A, you only get 1A in return approximately), this explains why some
people get 25-32mph on a hybrid. If you want more mileage, plan ahead and
try to avoid braking. If you're in a rush, speeding and braking won't save
you energy, only with our tune-up vehicles you can speed and brake often,
you still will come better than a hybrid 37-41mpg usually on aggressive
drive, otherwise 51mpg.

GasSaver

[GasSaver]

Post by GasSaver

Post by Anonymous

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver
Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't
notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a
fortune
to
research the cure for oil crisis. If you believe your magnet works, please
bring your car to show off with our car (that we have doubled in mileage.)
Can you bring yours to Seattle KOMO TV or KIRO 7 TV sometimes next week?
This way we can prove who is real.
Thanks.
GasSaver

Hi,
I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of battery used in
hybrids can be recharged at most several hundred times?- so after that it
needs to be replaced. How many years would such a battery last?
Thanks,
Boris

Don't know the battery specifics, but I have a
neighbor who recently purchased a midsize
Ford hybrid. It's like an Escape or ??, it's about
the size of a Honda Pilot.
He told me that the thing has a 96HP electric
motor which, of course, does most of the start
and stop heavy work. He also says that the
batter(y)(ies), in the rear of the vehicle, are
covered by a special warranty for eight years,
or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three
years, or 36K miles.

Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to test
our knowledge. Every battery has its limitation, if you brake hard (you
put in 2A, you only get 1A in return approximately), this explains why some
people get 25-32mph on a hybrid. If you want more mileage, plan ahead and
try to avoid braking. If you're in a rush, speeding and braking won't save
you energy, only with our tune-up vehicles you can speed and brake often,
you still will come better than a hybrid 37-41mpg usually on aggressive
drive, otherwise 51mpg.
GasSaver

Correction: > people get 25-32mpg on a hybrid for agressive drive.

[boris]

Post by GasSaver

Post by GasSaver
Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to test
our knowledge. Every battery has its limitation, if you brake hard (you
put in 2A, you only get 1A in return approximately), this explains why some
people get 25-32mph on a hybrid. If you want more mileage, plan ahead and
try to avoid braking. If you're in a rush, speeding and braking won't save
you energy, only with our tune-up vehicles you can speed and brake often,
you still will come better than a hybrid 37-41mpg usually on aggressive
drive, otherwise 51mpg.
GasSaver

Correction: > people get 25-32mpg on a hybrid for agressive drive.

I see. Why do they prefer diesel cars in Europe (as opposed to hybrids)?
Also, I have a subie - when I go skiing I never need chains, even in deep
snow (unless road is completely closed for traffic - then I can't use it
obiously). From reviews (for example, at edmunds.com) Lexus RX hybrid
doesn't have a potent AWD system.

Boris

[boris]

From reviews (for example, at edmunds.com) Lexus RX hybrid doesn't have a
potent AWD system.

OOPS - sorry: Edmunds says that about Highlander, Lexus RX review doesn't
say anything about AWD system.

PASTE>>>>>>>>>>

Cons

Third-row seats fold as one piece rather than in split sections, not
suitable for off-road or serious winter duties.

<<<<<<<PASTE<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/highlanderhybrid/2009/review.html

Boris

[GasSaver]

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver

Post by GasSaver
Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to test
our knowledge. Every battery has its limitation, if you brake hard (you
put in 2A, you only get 1A in return approximately), this explains why some
people get 25-32mph on a hybrid. If you want more mileage, plan ahead and
try to avoid braking. If you're in a rush, speeding and braking won't save
you energy, only with our tune-up vehicles you can speed and brake often,
you still will come better than a hybrid 37-41mpg usually on aggressive
drive, otherwise 51mpg.
GasSaver

Correction: > people get 25-32mpg on a hybrid for agressive drive.

I see. Why do they prefer diesel cars in Europe (as opposed to hybrids)?

There are 4 good reasons, 1)for durability 2)for 50% more fuel
efficiency(diesel costs more so you come out about 25% better than
gasoline) 3)room 4)security.

Post by boris
Also, I have a subie - when I go skiing I never need chains, even in deep
snow (unless road is completely closed for traffic - then I can't use it
obiously). From reviews (for example, at edmunds.com) Lexus RX hybrid
doesn't have a potent AWD system.
Boris

You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in MPG.
We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output.

GasSaver

[Dori A Schmetterling]

And in a number of countries diesel fuel is (or was) MUCH cheaper than
petrol, tho' there might also have been a compensatory tax on the car...
it's a complex issue.

In this context it is noteworthy that Britain was late to take to diesel.
The fuel did have a price advantage but no longer since the tax rates were
aligned with petrol.

DAS

To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
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Post by GasSaver
There are 4 good reasons, 1)for durability 2)for 50% more fuel
efficiency(diesel costs more so you come out about 25% better than
gasoline) 3)room 4)security.

[...]

[boris]

Post by GasSaver
You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in MPG.
We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output.

How would I do that? Which technology would I use?

Boris

[DaveW]

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver
You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in MPG.
We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output.

How would I do that? Which technology would I use?

Snake oil.

[GasSaver]

Post by DaveW

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver
You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in MPG.
We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output.

How would I do that? Which technology would I use?

Snake oil.

Typical guess from common ignorance.

There is one American man making over millions for turning a HUMMER into a
30mpg. I bet you don't believe that news neither, but I believe it because
we do similar thing here.

[Elder]

Post by GasSaver
HUMMER into a
30mpg

Anyone who can convert solid matter into a mathmatical measurement is
selling themselves short if they only make millions.

By reversing the process they could have billions.

[GasSaver]

Post by Elder

Post by GasSaver
HUMMER into a
30mpg

Anyone who can convert solid matter into a mathmatical measurement is
selling themselves short if they only make millions.
By reversing the process they could have billions.
--
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Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand
someone else's design. For instance, fixing dragging brake problem, you
tried it 6-7 times, the same problem returns. That's why we don't disclose
our technique. We have to sell short a little bit while pending for a
patent.

------
For only 4% of a hybrid cost, OFS can turn any vehicle into a hybrid-like
vehicle. It's called Fuel-Efficiency Tune-up. It increases gas mileage and
horse power without harming the vehicle like the N2O technique.
http://www.extra150miles.com

[willshak]

Post by GasSaver

Post by Elder

Post by GasSaver
HUMMER into a
30mpg

Anyone who can convert solid matter into a mathmatical measurement is
selling themselves short if they only make millions.
By reversing the process they could have billions.
--
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Get cashback on your purchases
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Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand
someone else's design. For instance, fixing dragging brake problem, you
tried it 6-7 times, the same problem returns. That's why we don't disclose
our technique. We have to sell short a little bit while pending for a
patent.

Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not
retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against
the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The
solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically
(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum).

[me]

Post by willshak

Post by GasSaver
Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand
someone else's design. For instance, fixing dragging brake problem, you
tried it 6-7 times, the same problem returns. That's why we don't disclose
our technique. We have to sell short a little bit while pending for a
patent.

Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not
retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against
the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The
solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically
(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum).

Pads don't rub in a properly setup set of disk brakes.

[willshak]

Post by me

Post by willshak

Post by GasSaver
Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand
someone else's design. For instance, fixing dragging brake problem, you
tried it 6-7 times, the same problem returns. That's why we don't disclose
our technique. We have to sell short a little bit while pending for a
patent.

Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not
retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against
the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The
solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically
(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum).

Pads don't rub in a properly setup set of disk brakes.

Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on
automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles.

[Happy Trails]

Post by willshak
Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on
automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles.

Dismantle and clean the calipers and pistons and put in a new rubber
ring. Machine or replace the rotors if they are scored or worn out of
spec. Not really rocket science.

[GasSaver]

Post by Happy Trails

Post by willshak
Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on
automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles.

Dismantle and clean the calipers and pistons and put in a new rubber
ring. Machine or replace the rotors if they are scored or worn out of
spec. Not really rocket science.

On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike
fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work,
because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust
itself.

Cheers,

GasSaver.

BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models
C230 - E320 to triple mileage. Thanks to our Friction-2-Energy
technologies, it makes a big difference.
www.extra150miles.com

[Happy Trails]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:09:42 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver
On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike
fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work,
because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust
itself.

I guess when YOU do it you have to do everything 5-6 times, you
asshole!

How does a disk brake readjust itself, moron?

[GasSaver]

Post by Happy Trails
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:09:42 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver
On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike
fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work,
because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust
itself.

I guess when YOU do it you have to do everything 5-6 times, you
asshole!
How does a disk brake readjust itself, moron?

Hosnest answer for a poor mechanic:

As I state above concerning Japanese brakes, look at the rear brakes
careful, in a caliper, there is a piston equipped with 4 holes on its
surface, this piston pushes/pinches your brake pads against the rotor. The
piston can move forward but not backward far enough, due a notch of your
brake pads that got locked in one of the 4 holes. When the pads worn out,
the pads get pushed in further to pinch the rotor causing another terrible
friction. This action is called Self-adjust brake system. Should I go
further educating you poor mechanic?

If you think you know more why you failed to understand this simple thing?

Last week you said you were impressed with our findings, then you ask me to
bring more free ideas to you, No matter what you say now, you can't have
our ideas for free you cheap robber.

Good luck to your strategies!

[Happy Trails]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:28:43 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver
Last week you said you were impressed with our findings, then you ask me to
bring more free ideas to you, No matter what you say now, you can't have
our ideas for free you cheap robber.

You just don't understand sarcasm either, do you?

Please do not post anymore of your nonsense here if you think people
might just read (steal?) them, idiot.

[Gary L. Burnore]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:09:42 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver

Post by Happy Trails

Post by willshak
Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on
automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles.

Dismantle and clean the calipers and pistons and put in a new rubber
ring. Machine or replace the rotors if they are scored or worn out of
spec. Not really rocket science.

On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike
fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work,
because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust
itself.

You don't know very much about cars, do ya? Care to explain how they'd
"re-adjust"? And how is it that my Lexus doesn't "re-adjust"?
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:09:42 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver

Post by Happy Trails

Post by willshak
Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on
automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles.

Dismantle and clean the calipers and pistons and put in a new rubber
ring. Machine or replace the rotors if they are scored or worn out of
spec. Not really rocket science.

On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike
fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work,
because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust
itself.

You don't know very much about cars, do ya? Care to explain how they'd
"re-adjust"? And how is it that my Lexus doesn't "re-adjust"?
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Honest answer for another poor mechanic:

As I state above concerning Japanese brakes, look at the rear brakes
carefully, in a caliper, there is a piston equipped with 4 holes on its
surface, this piston pushes/pinches your brake pads against the rotor. The
piston can move forward but not backward far enough, due a notch of your
brake pads that got locked in one of the 4 holes. When the pads worn out,
the pads get pushed in further to pinch the rotor causing another terrible
friction. This action is called Self-adjust brake system. Should I go
further educating you poor mechanic?

If you think you know more why you failed to understand this simple thing?

Last week you said you were impressed with our findings, then you ask me to
bring more free ideas to you, No matter what you say now, you can't have
our ideas for free you cheap robber.

Good luck to your strategies!

[Happy Trails]

Post by willshak
Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not
retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against
the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The
solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically
(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum).

I don't why you guys keep discussing this garbage with an obvious
snake oil salesman, but you don't have to rebuild very many calipers
to know that the rubber ring around the piston acts both as a seal and
as a retracting device. It doesn't pull it back much, but it's enough
to lift the pad off the rotor.

[GasSaver]

Post by Happy Trails

Post by willshak
Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not
retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against
the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The
solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically
(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum).

I don't why you guys keep discussing this garbage with an obvious
snake oil salesman, but you don't have to rebuild very many calipers
to know that the rubber ring around the piston acts both as a seal and
as a retracting device. It doesn't pull it back much, but it's enough
to lift the pad off the rotor.

Hey guys,

There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on
your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be
easy to manage the speed. We solve this problem by converting the brake
friction to energy and restore it back to a battery. Most people are
ignorant when it comes to battery power. You need to have plenty of
battery's power in order to produce powerful ignition. That's why OFS
creates a device to convert friction-to-energy by increasing electrical
load on your alternator just briefly when you're slowing down, when you
brake and when you come down hill too fast. That's why we are able to
reach 90-mpg on Mercedes-Benz by reusing that power capturing during
vehicle slowing down.

Cheers,

GasSaver

BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models
C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our
Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference.
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[John Henderson]

Post by GasSaver
There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on
your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be
easy to manage the speed. We solve this problem by converting the brake
friction to energy and restore it back to a battery.

Codswallop 1.

Post by GasSaver
Most people are ignorant when it comes to battery power. You need to
have plenty of > battery's power in order to produce powerful ignition.

Codswallop 2.

Post by GasSaver
That's why OFS creates a device to convert friction-to-energy by
increasing electrical load on your alternator just briefly when you're
slowing down, when you brake and when you come down hill too fast.
That's why we are able to reach 90-mpg on Mercedes-Benz by reusing
that power capturing during vehicle slowing down.

Codswallop 3. And a possible overcharged battery to boot.
You're never going to recoup even a skerric of regenerative
braking energy by producing a 0.0384% fatter spark. Or by
overcharging the battery now, so as to briefly and marginally
reduce the alternator load in a few minutes' time.

There's also no doubt that drivers can improve fuel consumption
dramatically when they're trying to prove a point by driving
very economically.

John

[Gary L. Burnore]

Post by John Henderson
There's also no doubt that drivers can improve fuel consumption
dramatically when they're trying to prove a point by driving
very economically.

This is it in a nutshell. As with fake diet pills that say "well it didn't
work because you didn't eat right and exercise regularly", it's not the pill
that did it but eating right and exercising regularly.

The FTC should go back to crackdown mode on things like this.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:23:38 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver

Post by Happy Trails

Post by willshak
Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not
retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against
the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The
solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically
(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum).

I don't why you guys keep discussing this garbage with an obvious
snake oil salesman, but you don't have to rebuild very many calipers
to know that the rubber ring around the piston acts both as a seal and
as a retracting device. It doesn't pull it back much, but it's enough
to lift the pad off the rotor.

Hey guys,
There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on
your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be
easy to manage the speed.

You're a troll, right? You don't REALLY believe what you're writing, RIGHT?

Post by GasSaver
We solve this problem by converting the brake
friction to energy and restore it back to a battery. Most people are
ignorant

Oh, nice pkb.

Post by GasSaver
when it comes to battery power. You need to have plenty of
battery's power in order to produce powerful ignition. That's why OFS
creates a device to convert friction-to-energy by increasing electrical
load on your alternator just briefly when you're slowing down, when you
brake and when you come down hill too fast. That's why we are able to
reach 90-mpg on Mercedes-Benz by reusing that power capturing during
vehicle slowing down.

Snake oil works better than what you sell.
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Post by GasSaver
There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on
your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be
easy to manage the speed.

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repeat.

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Post by Elder

Post by GasSaver
There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on
your brake.  If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be
easy to manage the speed.

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repeat.
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It is quite amazing that anyone could make so many foolish statements,
one after the other. This one may be the best one yet. We're
supposed to believe that auto manfacturers, desperate to do anything
to get even a tiny increase in MPG to meet CAFRA standards and sell
more cars, intentionally design in brake friction when the brakes
aren't applied to "manage the speed."

The BS about needing extra battery power to achieve proper ignition
spark is a close runner up. The amount of power needed to crank the
engine is orders of magnitude more than that required to provide
ignition. Just take a look at the size of the wires going to the
starter and the ignition. The starter one is easy to find, it's
huge. The ignition one is so inconsequential you can't even
distinguish it from all the other wires. Plus, last time I checked,
when the car is running, the alternator is what is actually providing
the power for all the various electrical systems in the car,
regardless of the size of the battery.

[Dori A Schmetterling]

He does not sell snake oil.

Gas Saver sells a perpetual motion machine.

DAS

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Post by Happy Trails
I don't why you guys keep discussing this garbage with an obvious
snake oil salesman

[...]

[GasSaver]

Post by boris

Post by GasSaver
You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in MPG.
We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output.

How would I do that? Which technology would I use?
Boris

Same gasoline technologies. We have nothing to hide, everything is
revealed at our web site www.extra150miles.com.

When our cars move, they moves swiftly, you don't normally hear the engine
noise. That proves we make your engine work less hard.

When out-of-gas light is one, you can still go 100-120 miles with ours.
That proves the ECU thinks it can go 40 miles only because we don't mess
around with the car's software.

[Duncan McNiven]

Post by GasSaver
We have nothing to hide, everything is
revealed at our web site

That's the web site which says: "Some people want to know how we
eliminate the frictions. Sorry we do not disclose our invention /
technique to general public."

--

[GasSaver]

Post by Duncan McNiven

Post by GasSaver
We have nothing to hide, everything is
revealed at our web site

That's the web site which says: "Some people want to know how we
eliminate the frictions. Sorry we do not disclose our invention /
technique to general public."
--

That's correct sir, many people want to know our secrets, even BMW, and
Mercedes-Benz. Understand this, you do not get detailed design from Honda /
Toyota neither about their hybrid vehicles. They tell you briefly about
their battery system to confuse you, in reality you get the most out of
better mechanism and better chemical reaction. If your intention is to
save fuel then you will be fine OFS.

We will explain in person how thing works, for example if you want extra
horse power, we would ask your permission to do a little modification to
your air intake (not all tune-up will need this requirement), the little
change won't be noticeable outside your vehicle. You can do your regular
oil change, air filter change etc.. Our tune-up won't interfere with your
routine maintenance.

Let me remind you, severe economic stress is coming ahead, do not let it
force you to make a practical decision the last minute, do plan ahead. We
lower our prices substantially comparing to the last 3-yrs. You would want
people with experience in electrical system, in computer logic processing,
in better mechanism, and in chemistry to take good care of your car. Good
luck with your decision.

GasSaver.

PS. Energy is not created in the tailpipe like some people think, it's in
your combustion. More Energy = Better compression + Reduced loads.

[me]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:30:18 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver
That's correct sir, many people want to know our secrets, even BMW, and
Mercedes-Benz.

And of course, BMW and Mercedes are unable to come up with $1300 to
buy one of your devices and then reverse engineer it. I can see that
that would be a stumbling block for them.

[GasSaver]

Post by me
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:30:18 -0700, "GasSaver"

Post by GasSaver
That's correct sir, many people want to know our secrets, even BMW, and
Mercedes-Benz.

And of course, BMW and Mercedes are unable to come up with $1300 to
buy one of your devices and then reverse engineer it. I can see that
that would be a stumbling block for them.

Another flaw in your logic processing.

No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No
NDA".

Would you give your life saving away to the rich men?

[Clive]

Post by GasSaver
Another flaw in your logic processing.
No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No
NDA".
Would you give your life saving away to the rich men?

As you're such a good manufacturer, how come you use a public news
server (yahoo) instead of having your own? I think you're a one man
back street rip off merchant.

[t***@optonline.net]

Post by Clive

Post by GasSaver
No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No
NDA".
Would you give your life saving away to the rich men?

Why would an auto manufacturer have to have anyone show it to them?
All they have to do is get hold of one car that's been modified and
see what's been done to it.

Post by Clive
As you're such a good manufacturer, how come you use a public news
server (yahoo) instead of having your own?   I think you're a one man
back street rip off merchant.
--
Clive

[Elder]

Post by GasSaver
No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No
NDA".

And when you say no, they buy one, reverse engineer it and make their
version public putting you out of business.

If they stopped at the first no, they didn't think it was that
important.

[John Henderson]

Post by boris
How would I do that? Which technology would I use?

From http://www.extra150miles.com/Technicaldata.html

"Sorry we do not disclose our invention / technique to general
public. "

John

[GasSaver]

Post by John Henderson

Post by boris
How would I do that? Which technology would I use?

From http://www.extra150miles.com/Technicaldata.html
"Sorry we do not disclose our invention / technique to general
public. "
John

Read the front page.

[John Henderson]

Post by GasSaver
Read the front page.

I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic].

John

[GasSaver]

Post by John Henderson

Post by GasSaver
Read the front page.

I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic].
John

Thanks but don't be. I bet these guys are smarter than you, their thinking
still have some flaws, they argued for 5 years with no result and we
already got it done and tested.

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote

[Roland Franzius]

Post by GasSaver

Post by John Henderson

Post by GasSaver
Read the front page.

I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic].
John

Thanks but don't be. I bet these guys are smarter than you, their thinking
still have some flaws, they argued for 5 years with no result and we
already got it done and tested.
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote

Perhaps one could make a Madoff business of it. You pay the not saved
gas to earlier customers by the money influx paid by new customers for
your donothing. You need only to guarantee a double cashback in case of
failure.

[GasSaver]

Post by Roland Franzius

Post by GasSaver

Post by John Henderson

Post by GasSaver
Read the front page.

I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic].
John

Thanks but don't be. I bet these guys are smarter than you, their thinking
still have some flaws, they argued for 5 years with no result and we
already got it done and tested.
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote

Perhaps one could make a Madoff business of it. You pay the not saved
gas to earlier customers by the money influx paid by new customers for
your donothing. You need only to guarantee a double cashback in case of
failure.
--
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than others. If you don't have the money, just talk nice to me and I will
give it to you freely, but there is a catch!

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I thought you got rid of the catch (friction)...

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Post by GasSaver
but there is a catch!

[John Henderson]

I bet these guys are smarter than you, their thinking still
have some flaws, they argued for 5 years with no result and we
already got it done and tested.

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote

They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no
evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of
reasoning), running on LPG should be much more /fuel/ /efficient/
than running on liquid fuel.

It isn't.

In company with yourself, if their engineering is as good as
their grammar and their logic, they should be avoided like the
plague.

John

[Clive]

Post by John Henderson
They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no
evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of
reasoning), running on LPG should be much more /fuel/ /efficient/
than running on liquid fuel.
It isn't.

Good point, well made. LPG is half the price of petrol here to try and
get people to take it up but it's reported in car magazines to be only
about 85% as efficient as petrol.

[GasSaver]

Post by Clive

Post by John Henderson
They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no
evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of
reasoning), running on LPG should be much more /fuel/ /efficient/
than running on liquid fuel.
It isn't.

Good point, well made. LPG is half the price of petrol here to try and
get people to take it up but it's reported in car magazines to be only
--
Clive
about 85% as efficient as petrol.

Correct if you run propane alone. You guys make too quick assumption, you
haven't studied any chemical transitions have you? I see many people on
the internet playing too much with equations, no support evidences.

Any way remember, you're not on full horse power as autosellers want you to
believe.

GasSaver

[Elder]

Post by Clive

Post by John Henderson
They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no
evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of
reasoning), running on LPG should be much more /fuel/ /efficient/
than running on liquid fuel.
It isn't.

Good point, well made. LPG is half the price of petrol here to try and
get people to take it up but it's reported in car magazines to be only
about 85% as efficient as petrol.

85% as efficient in an engine built to run petrol and tweaked to run
LPG.

If an engine is built to run LPG, higher compression, stronger ignition
system, more ignition advance, different ignition curve and a high boost
turbo, you not only get higher performance, you also get similar instead
of inferior fuel consumption levels, and retain the clean burning
characteristics of LPG.

[Clive]

Post by Elder
If an engine is built to run LPG, higher compression, stronger ignition
system, more ignition advance, different ignition curve and a high boost
turbo, you not only get higher performance, you also get similar instead
of inferior fuel consumption levels, and retain the clean burning
characteristics of LPG.

There's something wrong with your ideas. LPG or Propane is a shorter
chain molecule than petrol and therefore will have a lower flash point
than petrol, requiring if anything lower compression and certainly not
more advanced timing than petrol. Increasing boost pressure allows
more fuel to be burnt giving more power, but at the expense of greater
fuel usage. So you still end up with only 85% efficiency compared to
petrol.
Don't forget what happened when the EU tried to get diesel
engines to run on any fuel from diesel to petrol, after getting over the
injection pump wear issues, it was found that petrol was sticking to the
cylinder walls instead of a clean burn and a 25mpg diesel engine would
only give about 13mpg when used with petrol.

[GasSaver]

Post by Clive

Post by Elder
If an engine is built to run LPG, higher compression, stronger ignition
system, more ignition advance, different ignition curve and a high boost
turbo, you not only get higher performance, you also get similar instead
of inferior fuel consumption levels, and retain the clean burning
characteristics of LPG.

There's something wrong with your ideas. LPG or Propane is a shorter
chain molecule than petrol and therefore will have a lower flash point
than petrol, requiring if anything lower compression and certainly not
more advanced timing than petrol. Increasing boost pressure allows
more fuel to be burnt giving more power, but at the expense of greater
fuel usage. So you still end up with only 85% efficiency compared to
petrol.

Clive,

Chemically you describe things correctly but you said there is no gain from
mixing LPG with gasoline, that is just your theory, it isn't a reality. I
gain 8-10mpg on top of my 50mpg. Remember Gasoline and Propane are present
at the same time, you get a quick and long burning stroke. LPG burns first
then its heat burns any unburnt Gasoline making each stroke a more complete
burn.

When I shut off my LPG tank, I can see a drop in horse power and in fuel
efficiency by about 10mpg. 1-gallon of LPG is good for 14gallons of
Gasoline. Any way do google for propane tanks for trucks, I've found a
manufacturer in US selling them quite expensive around $900 a tank to be
used with the same technique. Also do a search on a patent site, someone
already file a patent for this idea.

I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be
wrong.

The only thing I don't like about selling LPG mixture with Gasoline to
general public is, it's dangerous with the way people handling the tank.
Customers can blew themselves up easily and blame their problem on someone
else.

GasSaver

[Clive]

Post by GasSaver
Chemically you describe things correctly but you said there is no gain from
mixing LPG with gasoline, that is just your theory, it isn't a reality. I
gain 8-10mpg on top of my 50mpg. Remember Gasoline and Propane are present
at the same time, you get a quick and long burning stroke. LPG burns first
then its heat burns any unburnt Gasoline making each stroke a more complete
burn.

Rubbish, the amount of fuel introduced into the cylinders is a
stoichiometric ratio for complete combustion, adding more hydrocarbons
(that's what LPG is) will destroy this mixture and lead to unburned fuel
pouring out of the exhaust, polluting the atmosphere and costing money
to the person that try's.

Post by GasSaver
When I shut off my LPG tank, I can see a drop in horse power and in fuel
efficiency by about 10mpg. 1-gallon of LPG is good for 14gallons of
Gasoline. Any way do google for propane tanks for trucks, I've found a
manufacturer in US selling them quite expensive around $900 a tank to be
used with the same technique. Also do a search on a patent site, someone
already file a patent for this idea.

Just because you've filed a patent, it doesn't stop it being rubbish.

Post by GasSaver
I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be
wrong.

You'd be right, considering that diesel engines are compression ignition
engines the chances of pre-ignition with LPG in the air could seriously
damage the whole drive chain.

Post by GasSaver
The only thing I don't like about selling LPG mixture with Gasoline to
general public is, it's dangerous with the way people handling the tank.
Customers can blew themselves up easily and blame their problem on someone
else.

As cars can be bought on the open market as LPG or petrol at the flick
of a switch known as Duel Fuel cars, again you are talking rubbish, or
would that be garbage in your broken English.

Post by GasSaver
GasSaver

[Elder]

Post by Clive

Post by GasSaver
I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be
wrong.

You'd be right, considering that diesel engines are compression ignition
engines the chances of pre-ignition with LPG in the air could seriously
damage the whole drive chain.

Diesel works just fine *with* LPG as additive, rather than LPG instead
of diesel in a diesel engine.

It works in a similar way on tuned diesel engines that nitrous oxide
works on petrol engines. And just like the petrol equivalent, it works
much better on forced induction engines than normally aspirated.

[Elder]

Post by GasSaver
I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be
wrong.

Running LPG as an additive rather than an alternative fuel in a high
pressure boosted over fueled diesel turbo can work in a similar way to
nitrous oxide in a petrol car.

Turbo diesels reach a point where even with the boost up they can't suck
in enough air to get enough oxygen to burn cleanly hence big soot on
drag racing tractors and diesel dragsters and circuit racing trucks.

Injecting propane not only gives an additional fuel burst, it also
releases extra oxygen that can help with the excess diesel and remove
some of the subsequent black smoke.

[Clive]

Post by Elder
Turbo diesels reach a point where even with the boost up they can't suck
in enough air to get enough oxygen to burn cleanly hence big soot on
drag racing tractors and diesel dragsters and circuit racing trucks.
Injecting propane not only gives an additional fuel burst, it also
releases extra oxygen that can help with the excess diesel and remove
some of the subsequent black smoke.

If they can't suck in enough oxygen then LPG will make the problem even
worse.

[GasSaver]

Post by Elder

Post by GasSaver
I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be
wrong.

Running LPG as an additive rather than an alternative fuel in a high
pressure boosted over fueled diesel turbo can work in a similar way to
nitrous oxide in a petrol car.

agreed.

Post by Elder
Turbo diesels reach a point where even with the boost up they can't suck
in enough air to get enough oxygen to burn cleanly hence big soot on
drag racing tractors and diesel dragsters and circuit racing trucks.

agreed.

Post by Elder
Injecting propane not only gives an additional fuel burst, it also
releases extra oxygen that can help with the excess diesel and remove
some of the subsequent black smoke.

Except the lack of OXYGEN will occur.

Post by Elder
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There is one customer waiting for us to improve his diesel truck. I would
try increase OXYGEN flow first before adding LPG. He lives in a hot
climate, I'm not sure if I want to add LPG for him. I'm afraid his
mishandling LP tank could cause him a good grief, later his family could
accuse us. If LPG is added OXYGEN level has to be increased otherwise your
engine will stall. I've seen this problem on Gasoline engines several
times.

Nitrous oxide (N2O or NOS), sounds good except it can damage your engine's
pistons particularly if your car has bad frictions. There is a limit of
compression stroke on each cylinder. With Zero-friction like
Mercedes-Benz's *(that we are able to correct), I'm fraid N2O is not
suitable to be added, maybe if we can control the amount N2O. Refilling
N2O tank is a major issue, you may need a license.

Currently we are able to turn frictions into energy and we are very proud
of our work.

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[Elder]

Post by GasSaver
Currently we are able to turn frictions into energy and we are very proud
of our work.

You mean you can convert one form of energy into another.
Thats the law.

[Elder]

Post by Clive
There's something wrong with your ideas. LPG or Propane is a shorter
chain molecule than petrol and therefore will have a lower flash point
than petrol, requiring if anything lower compression and certainly not
more advanced timing than petrol. Increasing boost pressure allows
more fuel to be burnt giving more power, but at the expense of greater
fuel usage. So you still end up with only 85% efficiency compared to
petrol.

Seriously, look into proper LPG optimisation.

LPG has a lower calorific value so requires more fuel, but has a higher
octane so can handle more advance and compression before pre-ignition.

Using sequential injection rather than a simple gas ring in the inlet
and the correct ignition and compression (or artificially raised through
forced induction) you can at least equal petrol efficiency.

It isn't rocket science, LPG is the ideal for for turbo boosting and
because of the better resistance to knock, you don't need to over-richen
the mixture to reduce the risk of knock. Petrol and diesel engines very
often run massively rich under boost to cool the engine to keep the
knock down.

[Clive]

Post by Elder
Petrol and diesel engines very
often run massively rich under boost to cool the engine to keep the
knock down.

You've been reading too many comic books, or perhaps you just believe
everything you read.

[Elder]

Post by Clive

Post by Elder
Petrol and diesel engines very
often run massively rich under boost to cool the engine to keep the
knock down.

You've been reading too many comic books, or perhaps you just believe
everything you read.

Just experience that manufacturers would rather throw your fuel, at
providing extra protection, than their money at providing a replacement
engine. They cover their own arses by using slight overfueling, using
the additional fuel to cool the piston tops and avoid knock. It is a
standard practice because production engines are no where near
blueprinted and vary enough that you can't fine tune for varying driver
use and the life of the vehicle.

My old Celica GT4 (all-trac) used to cover the read valance with black
soot (it was petrol) even though the emisions were well within the UK
fairly strict MOT standards, it even ran rich after the boost was upped
by 5PSI, right to the safe limit of the standard toyota fueling
map/headgasket.

[boris]

Post by Anonymous
Don't know the battery specifics, but I have a
neighbor who recently purchased a midsize
Ford hybrid. It's like an Escape or ??, it's about
the size of a Honda Pilot.
He told me that the thing has a 96HP electric
motor which, of course, does most of the start
and stop heavy work. He also says that the
batter(y)(ies), in the rear of the vehicle, are
covered by a special warranty for eight years,
or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three
years, or 36K miles.

I currently drive a car that's 8+ years old and has 90K+ miles on it -
hoping to keep it for 2-3 more years.
I feel that car technology could change significantly over the next several
years - not sure it's worth buying a new gas or even hybrid vehicle now.

Boris

[John Henderson]

Post by boris
I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of
battery used in hybrids can be recharged at most several
hundred times?- so after that it needs to be replaced. How many
years would such a battery last?

Hybrids usually use NiMH (nickel metal hydride) batteries.
Generally, 500 to 1,000 full discharge/charge cycles is about the
upper limit for the life of such a battery.

But hybrid cars don't discharge their batteries very deeply at
all. So the above figures become somewhat meaningless. In that
situation, what's important is the cumulative total energy taken
from / returned to the battery. And just age and temperature
related degradation.

We'll really have to wait and see as a history develops for this
battery chemistry in this application.

John

[boris]

Post by John Henderson

Post by boris
I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of
battery used in hybrids can be recharged at most several
hundred times?- so after that it needs to be replaced. How many
years would such a battery last?

Hybrids usually use NiMH (nickel metal hydride) batteries.
Generally, 500 to 1,000 full discharge/charge cycles is about the
upper limit for the life of such a battery.
But hybrid cars don't discharge their batteries very deeply at
all. So the above figures become somewhat meaningless. In that
situation, what's important is the cumulative total energy taken
from / returned to the battery. And just age and temperature
related degradation.
We'll really have to wait and see as a history develops for this
battery chemistry in this application.
John

Thanks for the info. What about plug-in cars (like Tesla)? Will their
batteries die rather fast?

Boris

[John Henderson]

Post by boris
Thanks for the info. What about plug-in cars (like Tesla)? Will
their batteries die rather fast?

I'd expect so - shorter life that those used in hybrids.

I haven't researched the battery types used in full-electric
cars, but I'd expect them to be more exotic chemistries, selected
with very strong emphasis on the energy-to-weight ratio.

John