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Post by john
Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to
contain the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about
its safety record and further threaten its reputation.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-
to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<click> "kill this subject"

There, filtered out. Bye, bye.
--

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-27 18:20:11 UTC

Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to contain
the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about its safety
record and further threaten its reputation.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick.
Should we talk about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted
themselves into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on
the dash?

What to see John go running for cover?

CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

AMuzi

2010-01-27 23:24:32 UTC

Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to contain
the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about its safety
record and further threaten its reputation.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick.
Should we talk about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted
themselves into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on
the dash?
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Hey, no need to get _personal_.

Both of mine are quick, light, fun. Pretty too.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-27 18:55:07 UTC

Post by john
Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to
contain the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about
its safety record and further threaten its reputation. From The Detroit
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick. Should we talk
about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted themselves into
Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on the dash?
What to see John go running for cover? CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Hey, no need to get _personal_.
Both of mine are quick, light, fun. Pretty too.

Corvairs? I had one back in the 70's but I didn't know enough about cars
then to bother with it. Wish I had, it was a FUN car! Had the three on the
floor, er, that is, what was LEFT of the floor. Had a sign in the back of
the driver's seat: Emergency Brake: Fred Flinstone style. DO NOT put your
feet flat on the floor!

Other than that and the usual oil leaks these things had, it was a good
car. I live about 8 miles from Clark's Corvair Parts, where, if they can't
FIND it, they MAKE it!

I just wanted to send "john" running around in circles with his hands over
his ears yelling "Unclean! Unclean!"

;)

Oh, back in ~1992 I saw one, bright orange, with this massive cowling in
the rear seat. The guy had hacked a 350 into the back seat to drive the
rear wheels. When the light turned green he lifted the front about 8
inches!

Then there was always the turbo. Yeah, they were good cars.

Mike Hunter

2010-01-28 00:59:51 UTC

Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an old
Toyota sold there, however ;)

Post by john
Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to
contain the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about
its safety record and further threaten its reputation. From The Detroit
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick. Should we talk
about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted themselves into
Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on the dash?
What to see John go running for cover? CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Hey, no need to get _personal_.
Both of mine are quick, light, fun. Pretty too.

Corvairs? I had one back in the 70's but I didn't know enough about cars
then to bother with it. Wish I had, it was a FUN car! Had the three on the
floor, er, that is, what was LEFT of the floor. Had a sign in the back of
the driver's seat: Emergency Brake: Fred Flinstone style. DO NOT put your
feet flat on the floor!
Other than that and the usual oil leaks these things had, it was a good
car. I live about 8 miles from Clark's Corvair Parts, where, if they can't
FIND it, they MAKE it!
I just wanted to send "john" running around in circles with his hands over
his ears yelling "Unclean! Unclean!"
;)
Oh, back in ~1992 I saw one, bright orange, with this massive cowling in
the rear seat. The guy had hacked a 350 into the back seat to drive the
rear wheels. When the light turned green he lifted the front about 8
inches!
Then there was always the turbo. Yeah, they were good cars.

Scott Dorsey

2010-01-28 01:11:54 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an old
Toyota sold there, however ;)

You will. Toyota has made a few classics, even the Toyopet and the original
Corona.

And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although without
so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that was a really
nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Mike Hunter

2010-01-28 01:40:12 UTC

You said the magic word RUST, but you did not mention availability of parts
which is zilch.

I owned a '57 Toyopet. I bought it as a favor from a friend that owned a
dealership. It was a joke, I would not have spent a dime to keep it
running let alone try to restore one. He bought to back from me after six
months for the $600 I paid him. ;)

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an old
Toyota sold there, however ;)

You will. Toyota has made a few classics, even the Toyopet and the original
Corona.
And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although without
so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that was a really
nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-28 02:10:55 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an old
Toyota sold there, however ;)

You will. Toyota has made a few classics, even the Toyopet and the original
Corona.
And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although without
so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that was a really
nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.
--scott

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

Scott Dorsey

2010-01-28 13:56:32 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an old
Toyota sold there, however ;)

You will. Toyota has made a few classics, even the Toyopet and the original
Corona.
And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although without
so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that was a really
nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine. Surprisingly good handling, and a
really nice low seating configuration. Pretty underpowered, but not
horribly so. It was a wannabee-sports-car but as such things go it was
kind of a fun one.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-28 17:22:00 UTC

Post by Scott Dorsey
And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although without
so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that was a really
nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.

When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-28 18:58:36 UTC

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.

Now a Ke37 WAS underpowered!!!!

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

The AE86 was a nice machine too - particularly the "notch"

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-28 16:17:07 UTC

Post by Scott Dorsey
And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although
without so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that
was a really nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the 80
series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla
1200, so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.

Now a Ke37 WAS underpowered!!!!

In '74 it was unavailable with a 5 speed. Four speed ONLY (no AT)

In '78 it had the 5 speed. The '74 got 38 MPG combined. The '78 got 44!

The AE86 was a nice machine too - particularly the "notch"

I'm a hatchback fan, so I got the hatch. Still sitting in my backyard...

Mike Hunter

2010-01-28 20:44:54 UTC

You mean before it rusted away?

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 13:53:53 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean before it rusted away?

No, the Mustang was pretty rusty.

My 1985 GTS went 17 years before it even started rusting.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

Mike Hunter

2010-01-29 16:10:36 UTC

You obviously kept it in a garage in Arizona.

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean before it rusted away?

No, the Mustang was pretty rusty.
My 1985 GTS went 17 years before it even started rusting.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-29 17:26:02 UTC

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:10:36 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
You obviously kept it in a garage in Arizona.

My wife's cousin bouth an AE86 from the dealership where I worked in
1984? Mabee it was '85. She lived in London Ontario - middle of the
"snow belt" until her death in1996? when the car was sold to a friend
of mine here in Waterloo. When it was rearended and totalled in late
2005 it was still in GREAT condition, both body-wize and mechanically
. Never garaged a day in it's life, and driven in the salt every year
for at least 20 years.

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean before it rusted away?

No, the Mustang was pretty rusty.
My 1985 GTS went 17 years before it even started rusting.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

Mike Hunter

2010-01-29 20:49:09 UTC

Then you never took it out in bad weather. Every Toyota I saw in the rust
belt in the US...........rusted away.

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:10:36 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
You obviously kept it in a garage in Arizona.

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean before it rusted away?

No, the Mustang was pretty rusty.
My 1985 GTS went 17 years before it even started rusting.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-30 01:34:34 UTC

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:49:09 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
Then you never took it out in bad weather. Every Toyota I saw in the rust
belt in the US...........rusted away.

Is there anything BUT bad weather in Mass.??????

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:10:36 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
You obviously kept it in a garage in Arizona.

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean before it rusted away?

No, the Mustang was pretty rusty.
My 1985 GTS went 17 years before it even started rusting.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5 Coupe,
and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so I did get
to drive it a couple times.

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 21:27:40 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Then you never took it out in bad weather. Every Toyota I saw in the
rust belt in the US...........rusted away.

Is there anything BUT bad weather in Mass.??????

Hey! We get good weather here!

From July 1 to July 31, as long as it's not cold.

(Last 4th of July was JACKET weather!!!!)

s***@some.domain

2010-01-30 03:47:01 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Then you never took it out in bad weather. Every Toyota I saw in the
rust belt in the US...........rusted away.

Is there anything BUT bad weather in Mass.??????

Hey! We get good weather here!
From July 1 to July 31, as long as it's not cold.
(Last 4th of July was JACKET weather!!!!)

30 boston winter's was enough. the last one i endired had more snow than most
of alaska.
but don't forget maine! 11 months of snow and one a bad skiing!

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-30 04:54:05 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Then you never took it out in bad weather. Every Toyota I saw in the
rust belt in the US...........rusted away.

Is there anything BUT bad weather in Mass.??????

Hey! We get good weather here!
From July 1 to July 31, as long as it's not cold.
(Last 4th of July was JACKET weather!!!!)

Hey, I feel your pain.55 of 57 winters in Central Ontario.Can expect
snow anytime between the first of October and the first of June, and
you never know how much. Last year was a record setter on the high
side. This year we are close to record-breaking on the low side.So far
- but we are barely half-way in.
And here in Kitchener-Waterloo sometimes we don't get any when all
around us gets pounded - and other times WE are the target -usually
hits a lot harder 15K north or west.
Many winters we only see one or 2 days below -1F. This year we've
already had over half a dozen. Supposed to hit -10F tonight. High
today was about +8.

Summer can start anytime after March - and restart several times,
sometimes with snow in between. Sometimes the best summer weather we
get comes in October. And sometimes after the first snow.

We say if you don't like the weather, just wait 5 minutes. If you do,
Ditto. Comes with living close to, and between 3 major lakes.

At least we don't get Hurricaines (well we did in '54) and the
Tornados are not a DAILY occurrence, but we've had our share of bad
ones over the last 40 years or so.
Last summer basically wasn't. But I'm not complaining. 72F from March
to october would suit me just fine.

The 2 winters I missed (actually 1 1/2) I was in Africa where the
weather was SO predictable. For 90 days it rained. Virtually every day
(in the years the rains came - which they did when I was there) and
for the rest of the year you KNEW it wasn't going to rain. You could
take that to the bank.

We are using a LOT less salt over the last 10 years, so now our cars
gat shaken to peices by potholes instead of rusting away. Still enough
salt to do damage though!!!

dr_jeff

2010-01-30 12:43:17 UTC

Post by c***@snyder.on.ca
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:49:09 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
Then you never took it out in bad weather. Every Toyota I saw in the rust
belt in the US...........rusted away.

Is there anything BUT bad weather in Mass.??????

There was beautiful weather in early July and late June. In the 70s and
80s every day. Really enjoyed it.

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 17:50:53 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
You obviously kept it in a garage in Arizona.

Parked outside in Mass.

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean before it rusted away?

No, the Mustang was pretty rusty.
My 1985 GTS went 17 years before it even started rusting.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

I had a TE37 with the 2T-C engine.

I always wanted one of those, but they were $600 more than a Corolla 1200,
so a college kid with a new car, the 1200 was OK.
When the 1200 got nailed by a Rustang, I stepped up to a 1980 SR5
Coupe, and then the the AE86 GTS. My girlfriend's fater had a TE37, so
I did get
to drive it a couple times.

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-28 18:56:07 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an old
Toyota sold there, however ;)

You will. Toyota has made a few classics, even the Toyopet and the original
Corona.
And I for one would _love_ to have my old Corolla SR5 back, although without
so much body rust or the cracked transmission case.... that was a really
nifty design and it's a shame Toyota dumped it.

The TE50 series or the TE37, or the AE8 series??
ALL were great cars (The 50 was a hatch, the 37 was a coupe, and the
80 series was the last RWD with the twin-cam 1600 engine

The Geherty Dyno Tune kit turned that 2TC into a VERY capable engine -
and in a '37 it made a VERY nice package.

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-27 20:17:45 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an
old Toyota sold there, however ;)

:p Check the price for a 2000GT...

Post by john
Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to
contain the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about
its safety record and further threaten its reputation. From The
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick. Should we talk
about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted themselves
into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on the
dash? What to see John go running for cover? CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!
CORVAIR!!!

Hey, no need to get _personal_.
Both of mine are quick, light, fun. Pretty too.

Corvairs? I had one back in the 70's but I didn't know enough about cars
then to bother with it. Wish I had, it was a FUN car! Had the three on
the floor, er, that is, what was LEFT of the floor. Had a sign in the
back of the driver's seat: Emergency Brake: Fred Flinstone style. DO NOT
put your feet flat on the floor!
Other than that and the usual oil leaks these things had, it was a good
car. I live about 8 miles from Clark's Corvair Parts, where, if they
can't FIND it, they MAKE it!
I just wanted to send "john" running around in circles with his hands
over his ears yelling "Unclean! Unclean!"
;)
Oh, back in ~1992 I saw one, bright orange, with this massive cowling in
the rear seat. The guy had hacked a 350 into the back seat to drive the
rear wheels. When the light turned green he lifted the front about 8
inches!
Then there was always the turbo. Yeah, they were good cars.

Mike Hunter

2010-01-28 02:28:22 UTC

You must be very young if you think a 2000 is an old car LOL

Post by Mike Hunter
Saw a 63 Corvair sold for $35,000 at Barrette Jackson. I never say an
old Toyota sold there, however ;)

:p Check the price for a 2000GT...

Post by john
Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to
contain the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about
its safety record and further threaten its reputation. From The
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick. Should we talk
about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted themselves
into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on the
dash? What to see John go running for cover? CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!
CORVAIR!!!

Hey, no need to get _personal_.
Both of mine are quick, light, fun. Pretty too.

Corvairs? I had one back in the 70's but I didn't know enough about cars
then to bother with it. Wish I had, it was a FUN car! Had the three on
the floor, er, that is, what was LEFT of the floor. Had a sign in the
back of the driver's seat: Emergency Brake: Fred Flinstone style. DO NOT
put your feet flat on the floor!
Other than that and the usual oil leaks these things had, it was a good
car. I live about 8 miles from Clark's Corvair Parts, where, if they
can't FIND it, they MAKE it!
I just wanted to send "john" running around in circles with his hands
over his ears yelling "Unclean! Unclean!"
;)
Oh, back in ~1992 I saw one, bright orange, with this massive cowling in
the rear seat. The guy had hacked a 350 into the back seat to drive the
rear wheels. When the light turned green he lifted the front about 8
inches!
Then there was always the turbo. Yeah, they were good cars.

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-28 01:56:14 UTC

Post by john
Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to
contain the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about
its safety record and further threaten its reputation. From The Detroit
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick. Should we talk
about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted themselves into
Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on the dash?
What to see John go running for cover? CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Hey, no need to get _personal_.
Both of mine are quick, light, fun. Pretty too.

From '65 on, they were as safe as any other, and up to '64 they were
EXACTLY the same as a VW as far as the "unsafe" handling was
concerned.

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
Other than that and the usual oil leaks these things had, it was a good
car. I live about 8 miles from Clark's Corvair Parts, where, if they can't
FIND it, they MAKE it!
I just wanted to send "john" running around in circles with his hands over
his ears yelling "Unclean! Unclean!"
;)
Oh, back in ~1992 I saw one, bright orange, with this massive cowling in
the rear seat. The guy had hacked a 350 into the back seat to drive the
rear wheels. When the light turned green he lifted the front about 8
inches!

Are you sure it was a "hack"
There were proffessional conversions. The Crown Corv8 was a fairly
common one. Talk about a SLEEPER!!!!!!

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
Then there was always the turbo. Yeah, they were good cars.

Mike Hunter

2010-01-28 00:56:33 UTC

Old news, what about all of the Toyotas of that time that rusted so badly
they would not pass inspection? The fact is if the parking brake was
applied, as it should have been, and if the driver properly engaged park, as
they should have, your point is immaterial to the subject and that is
Toyotas massive recall. The topic is Toyota build quality, TODAY not
about the crap they made years ago.

Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to contain
the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about its safety
record and further threaten its reputation.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick.
Should we talk about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted
themselves into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on
the dash?
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-28 02:08:00 UTC

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:33 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
Old news, what about all of the Toyotas of that time that rusted so badly
they would not pass inspection? The fact is if the parking brake was
applied, as it should have been, and if the driver properly engaged park, as
they should have, your point is immaterial to the subject and that is
Toyotas massive recall. The topic is Toyota build quality, TODAY not
about the crap they made years ago.

Same apparently goes for Ford.
In the late 70s Ford was CRAP. The Torino door mirrors fell off with
close to a square foot of "steel" attached, and door handles rusted
out of the doors. A 5 year old ford was a mess.

Just like Toyota.

Now their quality is getting VERY good - I just wish they didn't load
every toy known to man on their best-built vehicles - making them more
likely to be trouble prone.

A new Taurus without all the toys would be a nice family car - and
could be sold for a reasonable price. It could also be maintained for
many years at low cost.

Toyota is also halting production of those vehicles as it tries to contain
the fallout after two damaging recalls raised questions about its safety
record and further threaten its reputation.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100126/AUTO01/1260434/1148/auto01/Toyota-to-stop-selling--building-eight-models-due-to-recall#ixzz0dmPW5UDV

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick.
Should we talk about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted
themselves into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on
the dash?
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

C. E. White

2010-01-29 04:54:30 UTC

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick.
Should we talk about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted
themselves into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on
the dash?

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a 1978
Ford?

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?

Weak.

My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.

If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.

Ed

dbu''

2010-01-29 09:42:27 UTC

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a 1978
Ford?

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?
Weak.
My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.
If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.
Ed

Everytime some drunk smashes a Toyota into something it will be blamed on the
pedal sticking. This will go on for years. Remember the Audi?
--

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 13:52:50 UTC

Post by dbu''

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a 1978
Ford?

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?
Weak.
My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.
If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.
Ed

Everytime some drunk smashes a Toyota into something it will be blamed on the
pedal sticking. This will go on for years. Remember the Audi?

Remember the Toyota "door handle"?

A woman was ejected from her boyfriend's Toyota pickup truck, claiming the
door handle was defective. She was suing Toyota for $4M. Toyota settled
out of court for $1.2M

Problem was her boyfriend was drunk and ran the truck into the old style
post and wire guard rails before the door gave up and popped open.

I wonder how many of these cases are just plain STUPIDITY?

Mike Hunter

2010-01-29 16:09:00 UTC

I can only assume you are not familiar with the long standing NHTSA standing
for the integrity of the door latch on vehicles?

Does the term YABUT ring a bell?

Post by dbu''

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a 1978
Ford?

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?
Weak.
My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.
If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.
Ed

Everytime some drunk smashes a Toyota into something it will be blamed on the
pedal sticking. This will go on for years. Remember the Audi?

Remember the Toyota "door handle"?
A woman was ejected from her boyfriend's Toyota pickup truck, claiming the
door handle was defective. She was suing Toyota for $4M. Toyota settled
out of court for $1.2M
Problem was her boyfriend was drunk and ran the truck into the old style
post and wire guard rails before the door gave up and popped open.
I wonder how many of these cases are just plain STUPIDITY?

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 17:50:29 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
I can only assume you are not familiar with the long standing NHTSA
standing for the integrity of the door latch on vehicles?

Does that mean it has to stay closed after being battered into the guard
rails for almost 1/8 mile?

Post by Mike Hunter
Does the term YABUT ring a bell?

YABUT

Post by dbu''

<YAWN> No other car maker ever had a throttle stick. Should we talk
about automatic transmissions that AUTOMATICALLY shifted
themselves into Reverse? and all the government required was a sticker on
the dash?

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a
1978 Ford?

What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?
Weak.
My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.
If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.
Ed

Everytime some drunk smashes a Toyota into something it will be blamed on the
pedal sticking. This will go on for years. Remember the Audi?

Remember the Toyota "door handle"?
A woman was ejected from her boyfriend's Toyota pickup truck, claiming
the door handle was defective. She was suing Toyota for $4M. Toyota
settled out of court for $1.2M
Problem was her boyfriend was drunk and ran the truck into the old style
post and wire guard rails before the door gave up and popped open.
I wonder how many of these cases are just plain STUPIDITY?

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 13:50:32 UTC

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a 1978
Ford?

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?
Weak.
My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.
If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.
Ed

After the number of trouble-free Toyotas I have owned, yeah, I still like
them. They were bound to have a problem. They will fix it, and it will be
a long time before they make another mistake. Not like GM, where there is
a recall issued on almost every new model, and quite a few of them severe.

People still cheer GM, even after a number of models had conditions where
they would catch fire. Same goes for Ford.

All in all, in terms of numbers of safety recalls, I'll still roll the
dice with Toyota before GM.

Mike Hunter

2010-01-29 16:09:30 UTC

YABUT

So what are you trying to say - a 2010 Toyta is almost as good as a 1978
Ford?

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
What to see John go running for cover?
CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!! CORVAIR!!!

Or that a 2010 Toyota is marginally better than a 1960 Crvair?
Weak.
My opinion is that this whole sticky accelerator pedal is way overblown if
the problem is really only what is being reported. But then that was true
for the Ford transmission problem and especially true for the Corvair.
Corvairs were far safer than VW Bettles of that era, or most other imported
cars, yet Ralph "The Trial Lawyers Best Friend" Nader picked on the Corvair.
I wonder why...Oh wait, GM was a g juicy target for scum sucking trial
lawyers. Welcome to the club Toyota - you are now the big juicy target.
If Toyota isn't paying you - they should.
Ed

After the number of trouble-free Toyotas I have owned, yeah, I still like
them. They were bound to have a problem. They will fix it, and it will be
a long time before they make another mistake. Not like GM, where there is
a recall issued on almost every new model, and quite a few of them severe.
People still cheer GM, even after a number of models had conditions where
they would catch fire. Same goes for Ford.
All in all, in terms of numbers of safety recalls, I'll still roll the
dice with Toyota before GM.

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-29 17:49:27 UTC

YABUT

Sad thing is I would be driving an HHR instead of a Scion if they HAD HAD
THE ONE I WANTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN 3000 MILES!!!!

I wanted the 172HP HO with the Getrag 5 speed. Not to be found. Except for
ONE in Colorado.

Ford Flex looks pretty cool, but a $28,000 staring price is a bit steep...

Mike Hunter

2010-01-30 18:20:44 UTC

Who in the hell would compare a HHR, Scion and a Flex? One is a compact,
one a subcompact and the other a full size vehicle.

YABUT

Sad thing is I would be driving an HHR instead of a Scion if they HAD HAD
THE ONE I WANTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN 3000 MILES!!!!
I wanted the 172HP HO with the Getrag 5 speed. Not to be found. Except for
ONE in Colorado.
Ford Flex looks pretty cool, but a $28,000 staring price is a bit steep...

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-30 13:41:05 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
Who in the hell would compare a HHR, Scion and a Flex? One is a compact,
one a subcompact and the other a full size vehicle.

Possible solutions to my driving 'problem'. I like style and
functionality, and the HHR and the Flex solve that. Lots of room for Dell
boxes and bass amps an PA systems. The Flex really suits that, the HHR
less so, but adequate....except the base engine and automoatic couldn't
get the damn thing out of it's own way. TRY to find a 172HP with a 5
speed. It's listed as available, but three years ago the only one was in
Colorado.

I also like sports cars, small peppy cars with a fair amount of snot and
handling. THe tC styling fit the styling bill, the hatch and the fold down
seats fit the bass amp and part of the PA system, and the 2.4L engine, 5
speed transmission and the suspension from a Celica fit the sport aspect.
I decided on silver since I didn't like the blue or the red they were
offering, and when I got to the dealer the car was sitting on the lot.

Add to that having the first one in my area...and Made in Japan to boot.

YABUT

Sad thing is I would be driving an HHR instead of a Scion if they HAD
HAD THE ONE I WANTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN 3000 MILES!!!!
I wanted the 172HP HO with the Getrag 5 speed. Not to be found. Except
for ONE in Colorado.
Ford Flex looks pretty cool, but a $28,000 staring price is a bit steep...

c***@snyder.on.ca

2010-01-30 23:01:39 UTC

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:20:44 -0500, "Mike Hunter"

Post by Mike Hunter
Who in the hell would compare a HHR, Scion and a Flex? One is a compact,
one a subcompact and the other a full size vehicle.

YABUT

Sad thing is I would be driving an HHR instead of a Scion if they HAD HAD
THE ONE I WANTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN 3000 MILES!!!!
I wanted the 172HP HO with the Getrag 5 speed. Not to be found. Except for
ONE in Colorado.
Ford Flex looks pretty cool, but a $28,000 staring price is a bit steep...

Sounds like something my wife would do. "they are all square".

Paint them the same colour, or even close, and she'd really be
confused.

Reminds me of when we were kids, my one grandfather had a Blue Buick.
To my older brother all blue cars were Bluicks. Green were Greenicks
etc.

Then my other grandfather showed up with a blue DESOTO.
OOPS!!!

Hachiroku ハチロク

2010-01-30 21:08:29 UTC

Post by Hachiroku ãããã¯
Ford Flex looks pretty cool, but a $28,000 staring price is a bit steep...

Sounds like something my wife would do. "they are all square".
Paint them the same colour, or even close, and she'd really be confused.
Reminds me of when we were kids, my one grandfather had a Blue Buick. To
my older brother all blue cars were Bluicks. Green were Greenicks etc.
Then my other grandfather showed up with a blue DESOTO. OOPS!!!

WHen I was three my Dad had a blue Nash, a smallish 4 door sedan. We were
driving down the road one day and I pointed out the window and said
"Daddy's car!"

My Mom said, what was he pointing at? That car was red!"
My Dad said, "Same year, make and model..."

Mike Hunter

2010-01-29 16:05:21 UTC

YABUT LOL