Toyota's reputation needs some TLC

[john]

"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.

The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."

Full article at:
http://www.freep.com/article/20091221/BUSINESS01/91220036/1322/Toyotas-reputation-needs-some-TLC

[C. E. White]

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Subject: Toyota's reputation needs some TLC

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.

You mean Toyota built its reputation on the preception of reliability. I am
old enough to remember Toyota from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. They were
hardly paragon's of reliability.


Ed

[Don Stauffer]

Post by C. E. White
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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Toyota's reputation needs some TLC

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.

You mean Toyota built its reputation on the preception of reliability. I
am old enough to remember Toyota from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. They
were hardly paragon's of reliability.
Ed

I guess I'd disagree. Maybe we were just lucky. My son bought a
well-used Toyota Wagon to take to school in Massachusetts (we lived in
Missouri). That thing went back and forth I don't know how many times,
ran as well when he finished school as when he started.

I had a Datsun then that was a piece of junk. I looked his car over
carefully and wished that I had his car instead of mine. Castings
instead of pressed steel for covers, decent plastic instead of cardboard
for electrical system insulators, etc.

I would agree with you on the Datsun (Nissan), not the Toyota.

[s***@some.domain]

Post by C. E. White
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os.toyota.trucks

Post by C. E. White
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Toyota's reputation needs some TLC

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.

You mean Toyota built its reputation on the preception of reliability. I
am old enough to remember Toyota from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. They
were hardly paragon's of reliability.
Ed

I guess I'd disagree. Maybe we were just lucky. My son bought a
well-used Toyota Wagon to take to school in Massachusetts (we lived in
Missouri). That thing went back and forth I don't know how many times,
ran as well when he finished school as when he started.
I had a Datsun then that was a piece of junk. I looked his car over
carefully and wished that I had his car instead of mine. Castings
instead of pressed steel for covers, decent plastic instead of cardboard
for electrical system insulators, etc.
I would agree with you on the Datsun (Nissan), not the Toyota.

i had many 70's and 80's toyotas so i think this guy is fulla shit.
i had 1 77corolla that finally stopped when new england salt ate through it.
328,000mile. the i had an 86 2x4 truck with the amazing 22r motor. it was also
a new englander but kept passing smogs so i replaced the bed at 290,000 miles
and the cab at 387,000. i hated loosing the cab but it leaked cold air and the
cassette player died. the guy with the body i bought tossed in a cassette.
i kept that truck until 2002 when i gave it ti my idiot nephew. he replaced
the junk in the 5 speed and gave it ti his half brother. he still has it. it
runs loads of pig shit and cow feed around some hick midwest town.
it still runs fine and looks so funky it's classic.
i still have a 86 supra as the main ride. it needs paint and some fresh
upholstery but that's it. everything works, crusie and ac. i stuck a refurbed
tom tom on it and ain't no place we can't drive.
according to the toc, there are still 90 86!/2 supras licensed on the road.
not bad for a car only solf for 2 months. several have been converted to 89-90
standards so they aren't counted.
yoyota's have been good to me.

[Mike Hunter]

GM Ford and Toyota is no better than the other. The fact is every
manufacturers is making good vehicles today, the only real difference is
style and price.

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Post by C. E. White
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Toyota's reputation needs some TLC

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.

You mean Toyota built its reputation on the preception of reliability. I
am old enough to remember Toyota from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. They
were hardly paragon's of reliability.
Ed

I guess I'd disagree. Maybe we were just lucky. My son bought a
well-used Toyota Wagon to take to school in Massachusetts (we lived in
Missouri). That thing went back and forth I don't know how many times,
ran as well when he finished school as when he started.
I had a Datsun then that was a piece of junk. I looked his car over
carefully and wished that I had his car instead of mine. Castings
instead of pressed steel for covers, decent plastic instead of cardboard
for electrical system insulators, etc.
I would agree with you on the Datsun (Nissan), not the Toyota.

i had many 70's and 80's toyotas so i think this guy is fulla shit.
i had 1 77corolla that finally stopped when new england salt ate through it.
328,000mile. the i had an 86 2x4 truck with the amazing 22r motor. it was also
a new englander but kept passing smogs so i replaced the bed at 290,000 miles
and the cab at 387,000. i hated loosing the cab but it leaked cold air and the
cassette player died. the guy with the body i bought tossed in a cassette.
i kept that truck until 2002 when i gave it ti my idiot nephew. he replaced
the junk in the 5 speed and gave it ti his half brother. he still has it. it
runs loads of pig shit and cow feed around some hick midwest town.
it still runs fine and looks so funky it's classic.
i still have a 86 supra as the main ride. it needs paint and some fresh
upholstery but that's it. everything works, crusie and ac. i stuck a refurbed
tom tom on it and ain't no place we can't drive.
according to the toc, there are still 90 86!/2 supras licensed on the road.
not bad for a car only solf for 2 months. several have been converted to 89-90
standards so they aren't counted.
yoyota's have been good to me.

[Nate Nagel]

Mike Hunter wrote the same tired old crap.

Mike, just STFU. You're an idiot. Any fool can see that there are real
differences in design and quality between different brands of
automobile. Any fool except you, that is.

*plonk*

nate

[n***@wt.net]

GM Ford and Toyota is no better than the other.   The fact is every
manufacturers is making good vehicles today, the only real difference is
style and price.

That's about all it wrote.. I hardly ever have a car crap out on me.
No matter what brand.. As far as the present Yota, I'll have had it
three years in Feb, and I've added 30k miles and zero problems.
Not a single one. Nada.. Zilch.. Bang on wood.. :/
And I'm still on the original set of tires at about 55k miles.. :/
I could probably get another 10k off them if I really wanted to
stretch it, but they will go soon as the wet traction sucks.

[in2dadark]

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Post by C. E. White
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Toyota's reputation needs some TLC

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.

You mean Toyota built its reputation on the preception of reliability. I
am old enough to remember Toyota from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. They
were hardly paragon's of reliability.
Ed

I guess I'd disagree.  Maybe we were just lucky.  My son bought a
well-used Toyota Wagon to take to school in Massachusetts (we lived in
Missouri).  That thing went back and forth I don't know how many times,
ran as well when he finished school as when he started.
I had a Datsun then that was a piece of junk. I looked his car over
carefully and wished that I had his car instead of mine.  Castings
instead of pressed steel for covers, decent plastic instead of cardboard
for electrical system insulators, etc.
I would agree with you on the Datsun (Nissan), not the Toyota.

i had many 70's and 80's toyotas so i think this guy is fulla shit.
i had 1 77corolla that finally stopped when new england salt ate through it.
328,000mile. the i had an 86 2x4 truck with the amazing 22r motor. it was also
a new englander but kept passing smogs so i replaced the bed at 290,000 miles
and the cab at 387,000. i hated loosing the cab but it leaked cold air and the
cassette player died. the guy with the body i bought tossed in a cassette.
i kept that truck until 2002 when i gave it ti my idiot nephew. he replaced
the junk in the 5 speed and gave it ti his half brother. he still has it. it
runs loads of pig shit and cow feed around some hick midwest town.
it still runs fine and looks so funky it's classic.
i still have a 86 supra as the main ride. it needs paint and some fresh
upholstery but that's it. everything works, crusie and ac. i stuck a refurbed
tom tom on it and ain't no place we can't drive.
according to the toc, there are still 90 86!/2 supras licensed on the road.
not bad for a car only solf for 2 months. several have been converted to 89-90
standards so they aren't counted.
yoyota's have been good to me.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I love it...:0)

[ben91932]

Ed

I guess I'd disagree.  Maybe we were just lucky.  My son bought a
well-used Toyota Wagon to take to school in Massachusetts (we lived in
Missouri).  That thing went back and forth I don't know how many times,
ran as well when he finished school as when he started.

I have recommended Toyota's to dozens of people and not one complaint.
Also, I have been working on them since 1977, and found them to be
solid, reliable cars.
My latest is an 05 Highlander that I like alot.
YMMV, but I'll stick with what works.
HTH
Ben

[Mike Hunter]

Toyotas generally ARE great reliable cars, the problem with them is they are
generally underpowered and over priced as well.

Ed

I guess I'd disagree. Maybe we were just lucky. My son bought a
well-used Toyota Wagon to take to school in Massachusetts (we lived in
Missouri). That thing went back and forth I don't know how many times,
ran as well when he finished school as when he started.

I have recommended Toyota's to dozens of people and not one complaint.
Also, I have been working on them since 1977, and found them to be
solid, reliable cars.
My latest is an 05 Highlander that I like alot.
YMMV, but I'll stick with what works.
HTH
Ben

[Sir F. A. Rien]

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.
The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."

Poor baby, must really bother your ulcer if you should ever have something
NICE to say ... !

Do you review software and operating systems as well? Now there's a real
rat's nest of problems!

[Wayne]

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.
The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."
http://www.freep.com/article/20091221/BUSINESS01/91220036/1322/Toyotas-reputation-needs-some-TLC

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Toyota can build and sell crap if they want....as long as there is a GM or
Ford to lower the bar of expectations.

[Mike Hunter]

The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Post by Wayne

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.
The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."
http://www.freep.com/article/20091221/BUSINESS01/91220036/1322/Toyotas-reputation-needs-some-TLC

-
Toyota can build and sell crap if they want....as long as there is a GM or
Ford to lower the bar of expectations.

[Paph Shmir]

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Take a look at consumer reports. Ford and GM still don't cut the mustard.
They are getting closer but I would still rather have a Toyota than a Ford
or GM any day.

[Mike Hunter]

CR, get real. Look at Consumer Digest or ANY of the numerous car buyer
surveys.

Post by Paph Shmir

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Take a look at consumer reports. Ford and GM still don't cut the mustard.
They are getting closer but I would still rather have a Toyota than a Ford
or GM any day.

[Wayne]

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Sounds like the old "Just as good as a Rolls, but cheaper" routine. AND
who gives a rat's ass about fuel economy if the car is dead on the side of
the road?

[Mike Hunter]

You mean like one of the Toyotas with their sludge problem?

Post by Wayne

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Sounds like the old "Just as good as a Rolls, but cheaper" routine. AND
who gives a rat's ass about fuel economy if the car is dead on the side of
the road?

[Wayne]

"Mike Hunter" <***@lycos,com>
The Top Posting Retard...

Post by Mike Hunter
You mean like one of the Toyotas with their sludge problem?

Yep, still better than GM/Ford.

But in the case of GM , much more important than all that,.....
With the violation of contract law that the Obama administration did to
screw bond holders, and to suck up to his union voting block....you sanction
all those sleasy dealings when you buy a GM vehicle . GM deserves to
actually experience bankruptcy.

And you still get a crappy car.

Post by Mike Hunter

Post by Wayne

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home
for less, as well.

Sounds like the old "Just as good as a Rolls, but cheaper" routine. AND
who gives a rat's ass about fuel economy if the car is dead on the side
of the road?

[in2dadark]

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well.   GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Post by Wayne

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.
The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."
http://www.freep.com/article/20091221/BUSINESS01/91220036/1322/Toyota...

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Toyota can build and sell crap if they want....as long as there is a GM or
Ford to lower the bar of expectations.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh gawd.. will it ever end? You're brainwashed. Get really, REALLY
drunk and clear your hard drive..

[in2dadark]

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well.   GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home for
less, as well.

Post by Wayne

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.
The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."
http://www.freep.com/article/20091221/BUSINESS01/91220036/1322/Toyota...

-
Toyota can build and sell crap if they want....as long as there is a GM or
Ford to lower the bar of expectations.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And you GET less... Whenver I think of getting a new car, I go and
drive one and then get in my 01 and it feels solid compared to what I
was just in... I've driven EVERYTHING out there I think. I can't even
break my toyota if I tried. And sometimes I think I'm subconciously
'trying'...

All we talk about here is politics. When I go on the other boa...oops.
I'm not supposed to say the b word. Whenever I go on the
other..uh..forums, all they talk about are headaches and empty
wallets..

[s***@some.domain]

Post by in2dadark

Post by Mike Hunter
The difference TODAY is that GM and Ford vehicles are rated as good or
better, in numerous consumer surveys, than Toyota and with fuel mileage
better than Toyota as well. =A0 GM and Ford vehicles can be driven home f=

or

Post by Mike Hunter
less, as well.

..

Post by Mike Hunter

Post by john
"Over a generation or so, Toyota built its reputation - and U.S.
market share - on dependability, at a time when General Motors, Ford
Motor and Chrysler couldn't shake being identified with lemons.
The company that once could do no wrong has stumbled badly though a
series of embarrassments of disclosures, allegations and recalls.
Experts now are debating how deeply these will eat into the consumer
trust that is Toyota's most potent asset - and what it must do to
recover."
http://www.freep.com/article/20091221/BUSINESS01/91220036/1322/Toyota..=

..

Post by Mike Hunter

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Toyota can build and sell crap if they want....as long as there is a GM=

or

Post by Mike Hunter

Ford to lower the bar of expectations.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And you GET less... Whenver I think of getting a new car, I go and
drive one and then get in my 01 and it feels solid compared to what I
was just in... I've driven EVERYTHING out there I think. I can't even
break my toyota if I tried. And sometimes I think I'm subconciously
'trying'...
All we talk about here is politics. When I go on the other boa...oops.
I'm not supposed to say the b word. Whenever I go on the
other..uh..forums, all they talk about are headaches and empty
wallets..

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