Only BMW 5 Series, Hyundai Sonata get NHTSA top safety ratings of 2011 models

[john]

BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors’ large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru’s new Legacy
and Outback models.

Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
rating on rollover risk.

[jim beam]

BMW�s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration�s new safety evaluations.
The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors� large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?

http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm

heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth
brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction -
detroit and the oil industry.

Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru�s new Legacy
and Outback models.

no bias there then!

Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
rating on rollover risk.

yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.

[dsi1]

Post by jim beam

BMW�s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration�s new safety evaluations.
The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors� large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?
http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm
heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth
brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction -
detroit and the oil industry.

And then you have this:

This makes retrieval of the bodies a piece of cake. :-)

Post by jim beam

Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru�s new Legacy
and Outback models.

no bias there then!

Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
rating on rollover risk.

yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.

[C. E. White]

Post by jim beam

BMW?s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration?s new safety evaluations.
The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors? large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?
http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm
heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth
brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction - detroit
and the oil industry.

That is a nearly a ten year old test and the F150 tested was a 1995 design
while the Tundra was designed 5 years later. Like most newer vehicles, the
2010 F150 did far better than the older models.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

One thing that always makes me wonder about those tests is how the vehciles
actually perform in the real world. For instance if you take a look at the
injury loss rating for 2001 Pick-ups, the F150 actually has a lower injury
loss rating than the 2001 Tundra, despiste horror stories as portratyed in
the IIHS crash test you referenced (see
http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/ictl_pdf/ictl_0902.pdf and
http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/ictl_pdf/ictl_0904.pdf ).

I do agree with your basic point, heavy vehicle are not necessarily safer
than lighter vehicles. However in a collision between a 2001 F150 and a 2001
Civic, I'd rather be in the F150. Fixed barrier crashes tend to favor
lighter vehciles since they have less kinetic energy to dissipate. In
vehicle on vehicle crashes, the lighter vehicle usually comes out the worse.

Ed

Post by jim beam

Toyota Camry received a 3-star overall score, lower than the 4-stars
NHTSA gave to Ford Taurus, Chevrolet Malibu and Subaru?s new Legacy
and Outback models.

no bias there then!

Jeep Grand Cherokee received 4 stars for both the rear-wheel and 4-
wheel drive versions, although the 4-wheel drive version had a better
rating on rollover risk.

yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum

[Wayne]

BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

-
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

[dsi1]

Post by Wayne

Post by john
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.

-
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You're in luck! I've got a Hyundai for sale. I'll even take that Lexus
off your hand. Please get rid of that deathtrap!

[Roger Blake]

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)

[C. E. White]

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)

So which country / race / religion has completely clean hands? Before you
condem the Japanese of today for the things done nearly 70 years ago, you
might consider how Native Americans, Africans imported as slaves,
Phillipinos, etc., etc., feel about the actions of the decendents of white
immigrants to North America.

Ed

[chuckcar]

Post by C. E. White

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have
not forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what
their conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even
more vicious than the damned Krauts.)

So which country / race / religion has completely clean hands? Before
you condem the Japanese of today for the things done nearly 70 years
ago, you might consider how Native Americans, Africans imported as
slaves, Phillipinos, etc., etc., feel about the actions of the
decendents of white immigrants to North America.

Modern Japan - as I'm sure you know - was the last great act of
McArthur before he went off the deep end and has nothing to do with the
feudal society which proceeded it.

Pearl Harbour was far more a case of a bad case of ignoring readily
available intelligence than any great strategic move by the Japanese. No
one could call it the later - it was a strike of pure desperation.

[chuckcar]

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more
vicious than the damned Krauts.)

Yes, and then Mc Arthur created the new Japan after the surrender. A US
citizen.

And I seriously doubt you were alive during Vietnam or even the *first*
gulf war, much less WWII.

[Wayne]

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. .....<SNIP>

-
"Jap crap" heh, heh....
I'll remember that when I pass your sorry ass, all broken down, on the side
of the road with your Government Motors work of art. :)

[sctvguy1]

Post by Wayne

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. .....<SNIP>

-
"Jap crap" heh, heh....
I'll remember that when I pass your sorry ass, all broken down, on the
side of the road with your Government Motors work of art. :)

You can probably pass my 1941 Chrysler, as it only has a six and 24K
original miles. It will outlast you I expect. You probably can't pass my
1991 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Avenue, with only 80K miles. Both of them are
in excellent original shape and are well built.

[hls]

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)
--
Roger Blake

I believe Hyundai is Korean, not Japanese.

[dsi1]

Post by hls

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)
--
Roger Blake

I believe Hyundai is Korean, not Japanese.

The Jap crap Mr. Blake is referring to is the Lexus. The Hyundai would
be more properly be called Gook crap. However, the reality is that my
Hyundai is made in Alabama by rednecks and colored folks. My other car
is a Jap crap Toyota Camary which is pretty good but not so much when
compared to my Gook crap Hyundai. Personally, I wish I could afford a
Kraut crap BMW or a Lexus.

[AZ Nomad]

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)

When you come out of your cave and see what has happened in the last 30
years, you might notice that there is almost no difference in design,
content and quality between U.S. and japanese cars. I'd worry more
about the percentage of chinese crap the car is made out of than the
home address on the company's stock report.

[mred]

Post by Roger Blake

Post by Wayne
That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai <snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)
--
  Roger Blake
  (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled due to spam.)
  "0bama snoozed while oil oozed."

UMM IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY WHICH I DONT BELIEVE YOU DO ? THE
JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS INSTIGATED BY ROOSEVELT BY CUTTING
OFF THE JAP OIL SUPPLY IN THE FAR EAST.

It is now known that Roosevelt and the US military in the continental
US KNEW that the Jap attack was about to happen , BUT , they did not
warn the Pearl Harbor military .

THE REASON HE DID THIS ??

AMERICANS AT THE TIME WERE LOATH TO ENTER INTO WW 11 AND HE NEEDED A
REASON TO GET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO AGREE TO JOIN ENGLAND IN ww 11 ;
AND IT WORKED~! CHECK THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS FOR MORE INFORMATION.

Roosevelt also said , and I quote from memory here "That nothing in
politics just happens it is ALWAYS planned"

Ed

[jim beam]

Post by mred

Post by Roger Blake

That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai<snort>

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not
forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their
conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious
than the damned Krauts.)
--
� Roger Blake
� (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled due to spam.)
� "0bama snoozed while oil oozed."

UMM IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY WHICH I DONT BELIEVE YOU DO ? THE
JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS INSTIGATED BY ROOSEVELT BY CUTTING
OFF THE JAP OIL SUPPLY IN THE FAR EAST.
It is now known that Roosevelt and the US military in the continental
US KNEW that the Jap attack was about to happen , BUT , they did not
warn the Pearl Harbor military .
THE REASON HE DID THIS ??
AMERICANS AT THE TIME WERE LOATH TO ENTER INTO WW 11 AND HE NEEDED A
REASON TO GET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO AGREE TO JOIN ENGLAND IN ww 11 ;
AND IT WORKED~! CHECK THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS FOR MORE INFORMATION.
Roosevelt also said , and I quote from memory here "That nothing in
politics just happens it is ALWAYS planned"
Ed

conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. however, big picture, you
have to wonder at the logic of being attacked by imperial japan, then
declaring war on nazi germany.

[C. E. White]

Post by jim beam
conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. however, big picture, you
have to wonder at the logic of being attacked by imperial japan, then
declaring war on nazi germany.

Actually Nazi Germany declared war on the US. Admittedly Roosevelt was
trying to come up with a rationale for declaring war on Germany, but Hitler
saved him the trouble and did it first.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm

Ed

[Tom Adams]

Post by john
BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.
The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors’ large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

Actually, the frontal crash ratings of the NHTSA are biased in favor
of
smaller vehicles. Here it is directly from the NHTSA itself:

"Since the frontal crash test reflects a crash between two similar
vehicles, only vehicles from the same weight class, plus or minus 250
lbs., can be compared when
looking at frontal crash ratings."

http://www.safercar.gov/staticfiles/toolkit/pdfs/faq.pdf

In other words, the organization that put out these ratings are
telling you not
to compare the ratings of any two of these: Sonata, BMW, Yukon.

If you want to see a safety rating where an honest attempt is made to
integrate in
the weight as a factor, go to this site:

http://www.informedforlife.org/

(BTW, when a particular NHTSA or IIHS rating is not available the site
uses the general average rating. This can bias the comparison of the
site's rating score, particularly when important ratings are
misssing.)

[Tom Adams]

Post by Tom Adams

Post by john
BMW’s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to
receive an overall 5-star safety rating in the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration’s new safety evaluations.
The only vehicles to receive a 5 on frontal crash safety were General
Motors’ large SUVS: Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe,
reinforcing the case that heavier vehicles are safer in head-on
collisions.

Actually, the frontal crash ratings of the NHTSA are biased in favor
of
"Since the frontal crash test reflects a crash between two similar
vehicles, only vehicles from the same weight class, plus or minus 250
lbs., can be compared when
looking at frontal crash ratings."
http://www.safercar.gov/staticfiles/toolkit/pdfs/faq.pdf
In other words, the organization that put out these ratings are
telling you not
to compare the ratings of any two of these: Sonata, BMW, Yukon.
If you want to see a safety rating where an honest attempt is made to
integrate in
http://www.informedforlife.org/
(BTW, when a particular NHTSA or IIHS rating is not available the site
uses the general average rating.  This can bias the comparison of the
site's rating score, particularly when important ratings are
misssing.)

And, of course, since NHTSA integrated overall rating is based in part
on the frontal crash rating, it is also biased in favor of smaller
cars.