Which one would you buy, a GS 430 or a LS 430?

[Enrique Quijano]

Hi
I owned a GS 300, now sorely missed. I crashed it, and I am coming back to
Lexus.All the other brands pale in comparison. I have the choice between a
second hand GS 430 and a second hand LS 430. I know the numbers, the
figures, the gas mileage , the acceleration times....What I do not have are
real owner experiences. How does it feel to drive one of these cars?. In
relation to the LS, can you drive them fast without going all over the
road?. What are the pros and cons of the air suspension? Are maintenance
costs similar?
And, finally, is the GS quicker and faster than the LS in real life
situations?
Which car would you drive at 110 mph for 2 hours on a German autobahn?
Thanks.

[Larry]

If you are only going to drive 110 mph on the autobahn, you will be blown
away by just about everything else. Volkswagens, Citreons, hell even a Ford
Taurus can run that fast. You won't even see the fast cars.

Larry
In the back yard, under the oak.

[Enrique Quijano]

I knew it would come to this. I do drive fast on the autobahn, it is only an
hour away from Brussels, and I regularly have to work in Germany. 140 mph in
my Lexus GS300 were common speeds, roughly 230 kmh. I indicated 110 mph as
a reference speed.I know Lexus can drive much faster than that. And even if
you would drive 155 mph on the autobahn, quite a few cars would still leave
you behind.
On the other hand, submit a Taurus or a Citroen to a weekly run of 2 hours
at 110 mph for a couple of months , and they would not take long to come
undone. Unlike a Lexus.

[nopcbs]

Hey, I thought all you EU guys were tree huggers? What are you doing wasting
loads of fuel at such speeds?



Geo

Post by Enrique Quijano
I knew it would come to this. I do drive fast on the autobahn, it is only
an hour away from Brussels, and I regularly have to work in Germany. 140
mph in my Lexus GS300 were common speeds, roughly 230 kmh. I indicated 110
mph as a reference speed.I know Lexus can drive much faster than that. And
even if you would drive 155 mph on the autobahn, quite a few cars would
still leave you behind.
On the other hand, submit a Taurus or a Citroen to a weekly run of 2 hours
at 110 mph for a couple of months , and they would not take long to come
undone. Unlike a Lexus.

[Elder]

In article <dn9Wi.82$***@newsfe05.lga>, ***@CHARTERMI.NET
says...

Post by nopcbs
Hey, I thought all you EU guys were tree huggers? What are you doing wasting
loads of fuel at such speeds?

No chance. There are much petrol heads here as anywhere else.
But with fuel close to $10USD a gallon for Super unleaded we tend to try
and make it last a little longer and enjoy it when we get the chance.

[j***@hotmail.com]

Yeah, people gripe about Germany's speed and the effects on the
environment. I don't know, maybe the BMW experimental Hydrogen-7 can
mitigate that: in the not so long future maybe.

Post by Elder
No chance. There are much petrol heads here as anywhere else.
But with fuel close to $10USD a gallon for Super unleaded we tend to try
and make it last a little longer and enjoy it when we get the chance.
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[Enrique Quijano]

Tree huggers?
Which country had a national speed limit of 55mph during 30 yrs?
The US
Which country has no speed limit over 60% of its freeway network?
Germany.
What is the average speed on US highways nowadays?
Probably about 75 to 80 mph.
Average speed on euriopean highways, exluding Germany: about 90 mph

[kitzler]

Post by Enrique Quijano
I knew it would come to this. I do drive fast on the autobahn, it is only an
hour away from Brussels, and I regularly have to work in Germany. 140 mph in
my Lexus GS300 were common speeds, roughly 230 kmh. I indicated 110 mph as
a reference speed.I know Lexus can drive much faster than that. And even if
you would drive 155 mph on the autobahn, quite a few cars would still leave
you behind.
On the other hand, submit a Taurus or a Citroen to a weekly run of 2 hours
at 110 mph for a couple of months , and they would not take long to come
undone. Unlike a Lexus.

Hey Enrique!

I don't know about Tauruses, but I can vouch for Citroen and Renault
as being good for the first 20,000 km, after that, look out, both
makes will become money pits.... as far as speed, Autobahn or not, you
better make it when there is virtually no traffic, because I would not
want to come behind a 70 mph Citroen when I am doing 120 mph in ANY
Car..........

[Ray O]

Post by Enrique Quijano
Hi
I owned a GS 300, now sorely missed. I crashed it, and I am coming back to
Lexus.All the other brands pale in comparison. I have the choice between
a second hand GS 430 and a second hand LS 430. I know the numbers, the
figures, the gas mileage , the acceleration times....What I do not have
are real owner experiences. How does it feel to drive one of these cars?.
In relation to the LS, can you drive them fast without going all over the
road?. What are the pros and cons of the air suspension? Are maintenance
costs similar?
And, finally, is the GS quicker and faster than the LS in real life
situations?
Which car would you drive at 110 mph for 2 hours on a German autobahn?
Thanks.

The LS is a very quiet car and quite effortless to drive. If you are not
paying attention, it is very easy to end up well over the speed limit. The
air suspension is pretty soft, even on the sport setting, and the tendency
is towards understeer. I wouldn't characterize the LS as a sporty car.

I haven't driven a GS 430, but I suspect that it is sportier than the LS.

[Aluckyguess]

I just sold a gs 430 it will work perfect for what yo want. I took it to
vegas and aveaged about 110 taking up to 140 It was a little scary going
past the other cars. now have a gs 350 and a Bonanza the Bonanza does 200
plus its a lot safer.

Post by Ray O

Post by Enrique Quijano
Hi
I owned a GS 300, now sorely missed. I crashed it, and I am coming back
to Lexus.All the other brands pale in comparison. I have the choice
between a second hand GS 430 and a second hand LS 430. I know the
numbers, the figures, the gas mileage , the acceleration times....What I
do not have are real owner experiences. How does it feel to drive one of
these cars?. In relation to the LS, can you drive them fast without
going all over the road?. What are the pros and cons of the air
suspension? Are maintenance costs similar?
And, finally, is the GS quicker and faster than the LS in real life
situations?
Which car would you drive at 110 mph for 2 hours on a German autobahn?
Thanks.

The LS is a very quiet car and quite effortless to drive. If you are not
paying attention, it is very easy to end up well over the speed limit.
The air suspension is pretty soft, even on the sport setting, and the
tendency is towards understeer. I wouldn't characterize the LS as a
sporty car.
I haven't driven a GS 430, but I suspect that it is sportier than the LS.
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

[Enrique Quijano]

Thank you for your answer
May I ask what an earth is a Bonanza?

[Ray O]

Post by Enrique Quijano
Thank you for your answer
May I ask what an earth is a Bonanza?

The Bonanza is an airplane made by Beechcraft.

[Anonymous]

Post by Ray O

Post by Enrique Quijano
Thank you for your answer
May I ask what an earth is a Bonanza?

The Bonanza is an airplane made by Beechcraft.
--
Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Here's an older one. They're the top banana of the pri-
vate aviation fleet, IMO. If you ever fly one, it's hard
to return to anything else. Of course, Beech makes a
variety of other planes also.

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[KG]

Post by Enrique Quijano
Hi
I owned a GS 300, now sorely missed. I crashed it, and I am coming back to
Lexus.All the other brands pale in comparison. I have the choice between a
second hand GS 430 and a second hand LS 430. I know the numbers, the
figures, the gas mileage , the acceleration times....What I do not have are
real owner experiences. How does it feel to drive one of these cars?. In
relation to the LS, can you drive them fast without going all over the
road?. What are the pros and cons of the air suspension? Are maintenance
costs similar?
And, finally, is the GS quicker and faster than the LS in real life
situations?
Which car would you drive at 110 mph for 2 hours on a German autobahn?
Thanks.

Well I can not help with the LS 430 but on the GS's I might be of some help. We have a 98 GS 300
which has about 75K miles on it. It is used mainly for trips but with some around town driving. I
have driven 2 GS 400, 430 and I don't see much difference except for the 7-10K increase in price
and a couple of seconds faster to 80 mph. The LS's I have ridden in seam not to have the edge the
GS's have in handling etc. Please let us know what you decide and why.
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[j***@hotmail.com]

I'd driven the LS, the more boxy one than the GS I mistakenly
identified in a prior thread. These are well dolled-up and comfortable
boats originally designed for the US market. But I don't consider
either of them a performance sedan.

The LS's V8 engine is very powerful and smooth, but the suspension
system is cheesy. The only Lexus with anything near a real performance
suspension system is the small IS. But magazine reviewers call the
system a bit on the harsh side.

I personally thought the GS and LS would both be road hazards on the
autobahn. But if Citrons can run there you'll be fine. People's
mileages obviously vary.

Post by Enrique Quijano
Hi
I owned a GS 300, now sorely missed. I crashed it, and I am coming back to
Lexus.All the other brands pale in comparison. I have the choice between a
second hand GS 430 and a second hand LS 430. I know the numbers, the
figures, the gas mileage , the acceleration times....What I do not have are
real owner experiences. How does it feel to drive one of these cars?. In
relation to the LS, can you drive them fast without going all over the
road?. What are the pros and cons of the air suspension? Are maintenance
costs similar?
And, finally, is the GS quicker and faster than the LS in real life
situations?
Which car would you drive at 110 mph for 2 hours on a German autobahn?
Thanks.

[DaveW]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
I'd driven the LS, the more boxy one than the GS I mistakenly
identified in a prior thread. These are well dolled-up and comfortable
boats originally designed for the US market. But I don't consider
either of them a performance sedan.

So you've never driven a GS, but you don't consider it a performance
sedan.

Post by j***@hotmail.com
The LS's V8 engine is very powerful and smooth, but the suspension
system is cheesy. The only Lexus with anything near a real performance
suspension system is the small IS. But magazine reviewers call the
system a bit on the harsh side.

Do you still think the GS has Macpherson struts, as you've claimed
previously? And do you consider yourself a suspension expert?

Btw, is the IS the Lexus model that you claim is based on a Corolla,
or have you realized you were totally wrong about that too?

Post by j***@hotmail.com
I personally thought the GS and LS would both be road hazards on the
autobahn.

You've personally thought quite a few very ill-informed things about
the Lexus line, so this comes as no surprise to anyone who's read any
of your posts around here.

[j***@hotmail.com]

Maybe some people consider a fast car a performance car. I don't. The
GS I rode doesn't strike me as a performance sedan at all. Some
reviewers consider the Infinity M a better performing car.

Yes, I was wrong about the IS *rear drive* platform. But it does look
like a cheap Corolla from a distance.

Post by DaveW
So you've never driven a GS, but you don't consider it a performance
sedan.

Post by j***@hotmail.com
The LS's V8 engine is very powerful and smooth, but the suspension
system is cheesy. The only Lexus with anything near a real performance
suspension system is the small IS. But magazine reviewers call the
system a bit on the harsh side.

Do you still think the GS has Macpherson struts, as you've claimed
previously? And do you consider yourself a suspension expert?
Btw, is the IS the Lexus model that you claim is based on a Corolla,
or have you realized you were totally wrong about that too?

Post by j***@hotmail.com
I personally thought the GS and LS would both be road hazards on the
autobahn.

You've personally thought quite a few very ill-informed things about
the Lexus line, so this comes as no surprise to anyone who's read any
of your posts around here.