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Toyota to recall 600,000 Sienna minivans
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john
2010-04-17 06:14:35 UTC
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Yeah, another Toyota recall.

"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
year.

Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
inspected for the problem.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/business01/Toyota-to-recall-600000-Siennas
Wayne
2010-04-17 15:23:17 UTC
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Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-04-17 16:19:05 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor.
Lahood is an ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
me
2010-04-18 05:31:37 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor.
Lahood is an ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
Wayne
2010-04-18 16:08:50 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor.
Lahood is an ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get on
the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty damned
good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as well as
Toyota under the current scrutiny.

However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
future.
me
2010-04-18 17:33:36 UTC
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Post by Wayne
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get on
the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
distracted to something else.
Yes, when you piss off the NHTSA they start to look at all you are
doing. Toyota has lots of dirty laundry.
Post by Wayne
Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty damned
good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as well as
Toyota under the current scrutiny.
I don't know that the second part of that is true. Some manufacturers
are very cautious with safety issues and very generous with repairs
when they see a major issue. Toyota is obviously not the only one who
hides problems though.
Post by Wayne
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
future.
Maybe. I question whether a company with this embedded corporate and
cultural attitude can ever change. See my post on their actions way
back in 1986 when they were already like this - but it just didn't hit
the level of widespread deaths so there wasn't an uproar. Large
companies with longstanding company cultures don't change very fast
and when you add in the "people culture" issue, I don't really know
that they'll ever change.

But, at this point all they produce are a bunch of boring econoboxes
and sedans, so who really cares. If they bring back the rumored Supra,
maybe import the Aygo to the USA, or perhaps follow through on the
Subarota, they might gain some interest. They really should bring back
the 2000GT as a retro, but they don't seem to have much imagination in
management these days.
chuckcar
2010-04-19 16:32:42 UTC
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Post by Wayne
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you
get on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government
gets distracted to something else.
Yes, when you piss off the NHTSA they start to look at all you are
doing. Toyota has lots of dirty laundry.
Post by Wayne
Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty damned
good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as
well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
I don't know that the second part of that is true. Some manufacturers
are very cautious with safety issues and very generous with repairs
when they see a major issue. Toyota is obviously not the only one who
hides problems though.
Post by Wayne
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get
Toyota to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick
ass in the future.
Maybe. I question whether a company with this embedded corporate and
cultural attitude can ever change. See my post on their actions way
back in 1986 when they were already like this - but it just didn't hit
the level of widespread deaths so there wasn't an uproar. Large
companies with longstanding company cultures don't change very fast
and when you add in the "people culture" issue, I don't really know
that they'll ever change.
There *are* problems with Toyota's upper management and the same ones exist
within Honda IMHO. If you want proof, look up what happened last year in
Formula one and How Toyota's done in F1 for their period in it. These probably
don't have any affect on their road cars per se, but certainly would have
an affect on any response to such actions by the US Govt.
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(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-04-19 18:36:13 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by me
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is an
ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get
on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty
damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as
well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
future.
About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
Wayne
2010-04-19 22:46:52 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Wayne
Post by me
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is an
ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you get
on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty
damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do as
well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
future.
About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
Why wait till 2014? :)
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
2010-04-19 22:53:52 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by me
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is an
ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems.  When you get
on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government gets
distracted to something else.  Realistically, Toyota cars are pretty
damned good.  It is not likely that any other car manufacturer would do
as
well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in the
future.
About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
Why wait till 2014? :)
I thought this number makes more sense.
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-04-19 23:58:39 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Wayne
Post by me
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is
an ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you
get on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government
gets distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are
pretty damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer
would do as
well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in
the future.
About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
Why wait till 2014? :)
Gonna take them about that to re-engineer and get the goodies out.
Wayne
2010-04-20 00:47:52 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Wayne
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Wayne
Post by me
Post by Wayne
Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
inspect for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to
the more than
6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this year.
If the gummint dived into GM vehicles the way Toyota is being
persecuted.....GM would cease to exist.
The Government *owns* GM. Toyota is the biggest competitor. Lahood is
an ex UAW union dog.
No rocket science involved
Yeah... it's all a government conspiracy.
-
No, but that's the way the government approaches problems. When you
get on the government's radar, you are in trouble until the government
gets distracted to something else. Realistically, Toyota cars are
pretty damned good. It is not likely that any other car manufacturer
would do as
well as Toyota under the current scrutiny.
However, all this micromanagement by the government is going to get Toyota
to produce a much better product, and Toyota will really kick ass in
the future.
About the way it'll play out. I can't wait to get a 2014 Scion!
Why wait till 2014? :)
Gonna take them about that to re-engineer and get the goodies out.
Perhaps. But I bought a 2010 RX-350 with no hesitation, and it appears to
be the best car I have ever owned. My comparison vehicle is a 1999 RX-300
that only had a burned out brake light in 95000 miles of driving. I don't
see a reason to wait on buying a Toyota product.
Michael
2010-04-19 16:35:41 UTC
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Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
year.
Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
inspected for the problem.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/busin...
No fix for the problem? Really? Simply switching to a non-stainless-
steel cable should do it...?! Or hey, just coat the cable with epoxy
or something...

Michael
ACAR
2010-04-20 11:31:18 UTC
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Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
year.
Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
inspected for the problem.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/busin...
The fix is pretty simple; an annual inspection and grease applied to
the cable. My 1998 Sienna, as well as LOTS of other vehicles on the
road, used a similar cable system. Every year, when I checked the
spare tire, I'd also grease the cable.

But there are LOTS of other vehicles out there using a similar cable
for the spare. Only Toyota cables rust?
Wayne
2010-04-20 14:29:54 UTC
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Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
year.
Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
inspected for the problem.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/busin...
The fix is pretty simple; an annual inspection and grease applied to
the cable. My 1998 Sienna, as well as LOTS of other vehicles on the
road, used a similar cable system. Every year, when I checked the
spare tire, I'd also grease the cable.

But there are LOTS of other vehicles out there using a similar cable
for the spare. Only Toyota cables rust?
***************
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
me
2010-04-21 22:22:07 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
Except that they did the recall themselves, they were NOT ordered to
do it, so your whine doesn't hold water.
Wayne
2010-04-22 15:03:31 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
Except that they did the recall themselves, they were NOT ordered to
do it, so your whine doesn't hold water.
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I'm not following your response. Are you saying that spare cables rust ONLY
on Toyota vehicles, or are you saying that Toyota is not being beaten like a
pinata?
Ed White
2010-04-22 17:53:21 UTC
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Nope....same problem on lots of other brands.  But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
Except that they did the recall themselves, they were NOT ordered to
do it, so your whine doesn't hold water.
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I'm not following your response.  Are you saying that spare cables rust ONLY
on Toyota vehicles, or are you saying that Toyota is not being beaten like a
pinata?
Lately it seems Toyota is being beaten like a pinata.

As far as I know these spare tire cables have a significant failure
rate no matter who uses them. I have to wonder if maybe becasue of
some unmentioned factor(s), Siennas have an unusally severe problem
with cable failure. Maybe the location of the cable, or the design of
the underside of the van exposes the cable to more salt than tpyical
for other vehicles using cables. I've never had a cable fail, but I
did have the cable winding mechanism jam on an older Ford. I prefer
the style of spare tire carrier that uses a metal frame that you tilt
down to remove the tire. On the other hand, I so rarely need to use a
spare, I almost don't care if I have one.

Ed
me
2010-04-23 23:27:55 UTC
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Post by Wayne
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Post by Wayne
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
Except that they did the recall themselves, they were NOT ordered to
do it, so your whine doesn't hold water.
-
I'm not following your response. Are you saying that spare cables rust ONLY
on Toyota vehicles, or are you saying that Toyota is not being beaten like a
pinata?
I'm saying that you're moaning about Toyota being a pinata - but in
this case they did the recall of their own accord. No one ordered them
to do it. The pinata whine doesn't hold water.
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-04-24 00:47:34 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Wayne
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the
current pinata being beaten.
Except that they did the recall themselves, they were NOT ordered to do
it, so your whine doesn't hold water.
-
I'm not following your response. Are you saying that spare cables rust
ONLY on Toyota vehicles, or are you saying that Toyota is not being
beaten like a pinata?
I'm saying that you're moaning about Toyota being a pinata - but in this
case they did the recall of their own accord. No one ordered them to do
it. The pinata whine doesn't hold water.
Of course it does. Every day there's a media story about Toyota. You'd
think Toyota would pull some advertising in retribution. NBC leads the
list.

With the US government in the car business, wouldn't it make sense to beat
down your biggest rival?
Wayne
2010-04-24 15:50:48 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by me
Post by Wayne
Nope....same problem on lots of other brands. But Toyota is the current
pinata being beaten.
Except that they did the recall themselves, they were NOT ordered to
do it, so your whine doesn't hold water.
-
I'm not following your response. Are you saying that spare cables rust ONLY
on Toyota vehicles, or are you saying that Toyota is not being beaten like a
pinata?
I'm saying that you're moaning about Toyota being a pinata - but in
this case they did the recall of their own accord. No one ordered them
to do it. The pinata whine doesn't hold water.
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As a former GM owner I am convinced that if the government applied the same
enthusiasm to examining GM products, there would be more problems uncovered
than with Toyota. I shutter each time I rent a car and end up with a GM
product.

C. E. White
2010-04-20 14:26:16 UTC
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Post by john
Yeah, another Toyota recall.
"Toyota said today it was recalling 600,000 Sienna minivans to
inspect
for rust in the cable that holds the spare tire, adding to the more
than 6 million vehicles already under recall by the automaker this
year.
Toyota said it does not yet have a fix for the problem, which is
likely confined to 20 cold-weather states, including Michigan, which
use road salt in winter. Owners in other states can have their vans
inspected for the problem.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100416/BUSINESS01/100416067/1210/business01/Toyota-to-recall-600000-Siennas
Toyota is not unique in having problems with these spare tire cables.
I am pretty sure Chrysler, Ford, and GM have had complaints related to
these spare tire cables failing and dropping spare tires on the road
(although they apparently have not recalled anything for this
problem). Heck, Toyota had the problem with Tundras too.

Ed
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