Avalon almost equals Lexus??

[j***@hotmail.com]

Avalon is made for the US market only and is more comparable to your
grandfather's Buick, although the latest generation has improved a
bit. An enlarged Camry chassis made to look more like a combo of LS/
GS. But reviews (an example below) seem to consider it a clunker like
prior Avalons. That's why I'd suggest the Lexus ES, because the ES is
a better Camry than the Avalon.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060501/FREE/60501002/1024/LATESTNEWS

But if you need to spend more money than the ES then just get a BMW 3
series. BMW's engineering is lightyears ahead of Toyota/Lexus. To me
that's not even a comparison. However, the new Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 behind BMW's 3-series in luxury performance.

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13537/full-test-2008-cadillac-cts.html

I read somewhere on the net that these car reviewers thought that the Avalon was just a step below a
Lexus or BMW. Any opinions on that?
Keith

[DaveW]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Avalon is made for the US market only and is more comparable to your
grandfather's Buick, although the latest generation has improved a
bit. An enlarged Camry chassis made to look more like a combo of LS/
GS. But reviews (an example below) seem to consider it a clunker like
prior Avalons. That's why I'd suggest the Lexus ES, because the ES is
a better Camry than the Avalon.

They are three different cars, regardless of the ignorance you love to
flaunt here.

Post by j***@hotmail.com
But if you need to spend more money than the ES then just get a BMW 3
series. BMW's engineering is lightyears ahead of Toyota/Lexus. To me
that's not even a comparison. However, the new Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 behind BMW's 3-series in luxury performance.

Where to start...

Some 3 series are more money than some ES models, some are not. Also,
the Lexus model that compares to a 3 series BMW would be an IS, not an
ES. And how you would consider a Cadillac CTS to be competing against
those models is just plain idiotic, even for you.

[j***@hotmail.com]

There are certainly many factors, such as seating, cargo room, etc, to
consider. But most cars aren't filled to capacity at all times. Sure
so the owner should decide what's suitable.

As far as the new Cadillac CTS goes, the initial version didn't fare
so well I agree. But the latest revision got high marks from
reviewers. While I won't get a CTS with similar amounts of money (I'd
get the BMW 3 instead), I still respect reviewers from different
magazines when they agree.

People have different opinions and I respect that, and getting a Lexus
is just plain idiotic.

Post by DaveW
Where to start...
Some 3 series are more money than some ES models, some are not. Also,
the Lexus model that compares to a 3 series BMW would be an IS, not an
ES. And how you would consider a Cadillac CTS to be competing against
those models is just plain idiotic, even for you.

[Mark A]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
There are certainly many factors, such as seating, cargo room, etc, to
consider. But most cars aren't filled to capacity at all times. Sure
so the owner should decide what's suitable.

For some people, a 3-series BMW is filled to capacity when only the driver
is in it.

[j***@hotmail.com]

I'd agree - especially on a race track.

Post by Mark A
For some people, a 3-series BMW is filled to capacity when only the driver
is in it.

[DaveW]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
People have different opinions and I respect that, and getting a Lexus
is just plain idiotic.

I see. You're clearly very respectful of others' opinions.

[Art]

We had a 2001 Avalon. It was a clunker. The latest are supposed to be
worse.

On the other hand my wife got a 2008 Camry Hybrid a month or so ago.
Extremely impressive car all around.

Post by DaveW

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Avalon is made for the US market only and is more comparable to your
grandfather's Buick, although the latest generation has improved a
bit. An enlarged Camry chassis made to look more like a combo of LS/
GS. But reviews (an example below) seem to consider it a clunker like
prior Avalons. That's why I'd suggest the Lexus ES, because the ES is
a better Camry than the Avalon.

They are three different cars, regardless of the ignorance you love to
flaunt here.

Post by j***@hotmail.com
But if you need to spend more money than the ES then just get a BMW 3
series. BMW's engineering is lightyears ahead of Toyota/Lexus. To me
that's not even a comparison. However, the new Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 behind BMW's 3-series in luxury performance.

Where to start...
Some 3 series are more money than some ES models, some are not. Also,
the Lexus model that compares to a 3 series BMW would be an IS, not an
ES. And how you would consider a Cadillac CTS to be competing against
those models is just plain idiotic, even for you.

[j***@hotmail.com]

Avalon is always an also-ran. A piece of junk from what I read. You
would think a modified Camry to at least match the Camry. Noooo, it's
an Avalon. Just recycle it.

Post by Art
We had a 2001 Avalon. It was a clunker. The latest are supposed to be
worse.
On the other hand my wife got a 2008 Camry Hybrid a month or so ago.
Extremely impressive car all around.

[Mark A]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
But if you need to spend more money than the ES then just get a BMW 3
series. BMW's engineering is lightyears ahead of Toyota/Lexus. To me
that's not even a comparison. However, the new Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 behind BMW's 3-series in luxury performance.

BMW 3 series is not anywhere near as large (interior space) as a Avalon, or
even a Camry. No one should be buying an Avalon unless they need space for 5
adults on a regular basis--A Camry XLE V6 would be just as good, and an
ES350 would be better (for just a few thousand more).

Small to medium size drivers who don't have adults in the rear seat very
often, would enjoy a BMW 3 series, but the reliability is relatively poor
compared to a Camry and repairs are very expensive. You would need at least
a BMW 5 series to approach the interior size of a Camry, and a 7 series to
approach the interior size of an Avalon.

[j***@hotmail.com]

Well, econo vans have more room than all these, but I'm comparing cars
of a price range (entry level luxury).

Of course there are different factors in purchase decisions. And I
don't think Warren Buffet is going to trade in his Caddys and Lincoln
Town Cars for Camrys (or econo vans) any time soon because of room or
a fraction of dependability percentage.

For example, BMW/Mini held best resale value for the 2006 model year
even in the picky Japanese market because people there want them (and
Lexus while improved still wasn't selling well in Japan relative to
Mercedes and BMW).

xxx

BMW MINI TOPS USED-CAR RESALE VALUE RANKING IN JAPAN, LEXUS NO 2.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5175571/BMW-MINI-TOPS-USED-CAR.html

"The 2006 model year winners of Kelley Blue Book's Best Resale Value
Awards are:
2006 Best Resale Value:
Brand: BMW and Mini (Tie)"

Post by Mark A
Small to medium size drivers who don't have adults in the rear seat very
often, would enjoy a BMW 3 series, but the reliability is relatively poor
compared to a Camry and repairs are very expensive. You would need at least
a BMW 5 series to approach the interior size of a Camry, and a 7 series to
approach the interior size of an Avalon.

[sharx35]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Well, econo vans have more room than all these, but I'm comparing cars
of a price range (entry level luxury).
Of course there are different factors in purchase decisions. And I
don't think Warren Buffet is going to trade in his Caddys and Lincoln
Town Cars for Camrys (or econo vans) any time soon because of room or
a fraction of dependability percentage.

I thought that Warren Buffet usually drove a pick-up.

Post by j***@hotmail.com
For example, BMW/Mini held best resale value for the 2006 model year
even in the picky Japanese market because people there want them (and
Lexus while improved still wasn't selling well in Japan relative to
Mercedes and BMW).
xxx
BMW MINI TOPS USED-CAR RESALE VALUE RANKING IN JAPAN, LEXUS NO 2.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5175571/BMW-MINI-TOPS-USED-CAR.html
"The 2006 model year winners of Kelley Blue Book's Best Resale Value
Brand: BMW and Mini (Tie)"

Post by Mark A
Small to medium size drivers who don't have adults in the rear seat very
often, would enjoy a BMW 3 series, but the reliability is relatively poor
compared to a Camry and repairs are very expensive. You would need at least
a BMW 5 series to approach the interior size of a Camry, and a 7 series to
approach the interior size of an Avalon.

[sharx35]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Avalon is made for the US market only and is more comparable to your
grandfather's Buick, although the latest generation has improved a
bit. An enlarged Camry chassis made to look more like a combo of LS/
GS. But reviews (an example below) seem to consider it a clunker like
prior Avalons. That's why I'd suggest the Lexus ES, because the ES is
a better Camry than the Avalon.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060501/FREE/60501002/1024/LATESTNEWS
But if you need to spend more money than the ES then just get a BMW 3
series. BMW's engineering is lightyears ahead of Toyota/Lexus. To me
that's not even a comparison. However, the new Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 behind BMW's 3-series in luxury performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13537/full-test-2008-cadillac-cts.html

Ahead in engineering, maybe. Performance, perhaps. But what about
RELIABILITY. Don't German autos require a LOT more repairs??

Post by j***@hotmail.com

I read somewhere on the net that these car reviewers thought
that the Avalon was just a step below a
Lexus or BMW. Any opinions on that?
Keith

[GIga]

Is that you McBrew-jerk? Have you changed your name to protect your
stupidity?

2008 LS600hL -- running great!

GiGa

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Avalon is made for the US market only and is more comparable to your
grandfather's Buick, although the latest generation has improved a
bit. An enlarged Camry chassis made to look more like a combo of LS/
GS. But reviews (an example below) seem to consider it a clunker like
prior Avalons. That's why I'd suggest the Lexus ES, because the ES is
a better Camry than the Avalon.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060501/FREE/60501002/1024/LATESTNEWS
But if you need to spend more money than the ES then just get a BMW 3
series. BMW's engineering is lightyears ahead of Toyota/Lexus. To me
that's not even a comparison. However, the new Cadillac CTS is
considered #2 behind BMW's 3-series in luxury performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13537/full-test-2008-cadillac-cts.html

I read somewhere on the net that these car reviewers thought
that the Avalon was just a step below a
Lexus or BMW. Any opinions on that?
Keith

[mcbrue]

((((((((( GLGA !!!!! )))))))

Was so afraid you had died and gone to your eternal reward without
your fan to cool you !

mcbrue

[GIga]

Still having trouble reading?

Surprised no snide comments about the LS600hL. Worth every penny I paid for
it.

GIga

Post by mcbrue
((((((((( GLGA !!!!! )))))))
Was so afraid you had died and gone to your eternal reward without
your fan to cool you !
mcbrue