Lexus Style

[AL]

Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.

Al

[Graybeard]

I agree AL.
Our ES350 in Classic Ruby is beautiful. We even have cars on the road pull
up beside us and remark on how beautiful the car is. It also rides great
over the road, fit-and-finish is good, and with the 6-speed tranny the
engine is only turning 2000 rpm at 70 mph. Unfortunately, our car's engine
has piston slap. An inquiry to Lexus received a reply from them that the
noise was "normal operating noise". The diagnostic service man at the
Orlando Lexus dealer picked another ES 350 off the lot, and it also had the
same piston slap.

We never had a similar problem with our previous Toyota Avalon - a great
car.
We thought that we were making a step up when we traded for the Lexus. I
guess this is our first and last Lexus, unless they decide to do something
about their blunder.

Graybeard

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al

[GIga]

I think we got it -- you have a noisy car. Understood. Message received.
Clear as a bell. No need to keep repeating yourself. We know. Sorry to
hear it. That's a shame. Really, no kidding, we heard you the first 2,000
times. OK? OK. Thanks for sharing.

Geez.

GIga.

Post by Graybeard
I agree AL.
Our ES350 in Classic Ruby is beautiful. We even have cars on the road
pull up beside us and remark on how beautiful the car is. It also rides
great over the road, fit-and-finish is good, and with the 6-speed tranny
the engine is only turning 2000 rpm at 70 mph. Unfortunately, our car's
engine has piston slap. An inquiry to Lexus received a reply from them
that the noise was "normal operating noise". The diagnostic service man
at the Orlando Lexus dealer picked another ES 350 off the lot, and it also
had the same piston slap.
We never had a similar problem with our previous Toyota Avalon - a great
car.
We thought that we were making a step up when we traded for the Lexus. I
guess this is our first and last Lexus, unless they decide to do something
about their blunder.
Graybeard

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al

[mcbrue]

GLGA !!!!! There you are !!!!! Sitting in your corner, flipping your
finger over your lips as you make a humming sound! And out comes an
astonishing message which attempts to totaly dis this poor fellow who
has been terribly served by trying to upgrade to a Lexus! He has a
point which needs to be repeated often - as often as possible so that
all hear it. If all potential buyers know to look for this piston
slap, and decide not to buy a Lexus which has it, I bet that it will
dissapear. But then your humming interruptus seems to say that Lexus
is all perfect and look at the magnificant clothes on the king!

[Gardis]

Post by mcbrue
GLGA !!!!! There you are !!!!! Sitting in your corner, flipping your
finger over your lips as you make a humming sound! And out comes an
astonishing message which attempts to totaly dis this poor fellow who
has been terribly served by trying to upgrade to a Lexus! He has a
point which needs to be repeated often - as often as possible so that
all hear it. If all potential buyers know to look for this piston
slap, and decide not to buy a Lexus which has it, I bet that it will
dissapear. But then your humming interruptus seems to say that Lexus
is all perfect and look at the magnificant clothes on the king!

Yes I agree. I thought that response from GLGA was uncalled for. It
would be poetic justice of GLGA bought a car with piston slap, now.
I'm glad this man told us about this problem. Some of the people
posting here are just so childish. POst your comments about LEXUS or
bug off!

[GIga]

Blah blah blah...

Post by Gardis

Post by mcbrue
GLGA !!!!! There you are !!!!! Sitting in your corner, flipping your
finger over your lips as you make a humming sound! And out comes an
astonishing message which attempts to totaly dis this poor fellow who
has been terribly served by trying to upgrade to a Lexus! He has a
point which needs to be repeated often - as often as possible so that
all hear it. If all potential buyers know to look for this piston
slap, and decide not to buy a Lexus which has it, I bet that it will
dissapear. But then your humming interruptus seems to say that Lexus
is all perfect and look at the magnificant clothes on the king!

Yes I agree. I thought that response from GLGA was uncalled for. It
would be poetic justice of GLGA bought a car with piston slap, now.
I'm glad this man told us about this problem. Some of the people
posting here are just so childish. POst your comments about LEXUS or
bug off!

[tww1491]

Post by Graybeard
I agree AL.
Our ES350 in Classic Ruby is beautiful. We even have cars on the road
pull up beside us and remark on how beautiful the car is. It also rides
great over the road, fit-and-finish is good, and with the 6-speed tranny
the engine is only turning 2000 rpm at 70 mph. Unfortunately, our car's
engine has piston slap. An inquiry to Lexus received a reply from them
that the noise was "normal operating noise". The diagnostic service man
at the Orlando Lexus dealer picked another ES 350 off the lot, and it also
had the same piston slap.
We never had a similar problem with our previous Toyota Avalon - a great
car.
We thought that we were making a step up when we traded for the Lexus. I
guess this is our first and last Lexus, unless they decide to do something
about their blunder.
Graybeard

First oil gelling and now piston slap. Surprising Toyota continues to have
problems with its V6.

Post by Graybeard

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al

[j***@hotmail.com]

Cost cutting is always a high priority with Toyota. Using cheaper
(probably non-hypereutectic pistons) and looser production tolerances
won't help either. But you're right, the Toyota V6 has always been
problematic - 3VG, 1MZ, etc.

Post by tww1491
First oil gelling and now piston slap. Surprising Toyota continues to have
problems with its V6.

[DaveW]

Post by j***@hotmail.com
Cost cutting is always a high priority with Toyota.

Those mean bastards! Why can't they be like all the other
manufacturers, who only want to help people, and don't care about
making a profit.

[j***@hotmail.com]

What do you mean? It looks like a Camry from a distance.

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al

[j***@hotmail.com]

You think the LS460 is not good lookin'? You're right. But check out
the front of the Lexus IS, it looks like the designer got the
inspiration from a door stop wedge. No wonder April Lexus car sales
was down 22%.

Of course the 8-speed transmission is a clunker when driven other than
to the supermarket.
Motortrend on the 8-speed in a GS: "The tranny doesn't keep up,
endlessly hunting for that
ideal gear (remember, there are eight of them) and delivering
lethargic shifts when in manual mode."

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al

[Lars]

as a 2002 ES300 owner, I can understand the exclusion...I'm just waitng for
the day this transmission falls out the bottom, after all the hard shifting
and hunting that it has done in its lifetime...

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al

[Lars]

sorry, replied to wrong thread...

Post by Lars
as a 2002 ES300 owner, I can understand the exclusion...I'm just waitng
for the day this transmission falls out the bottom, after all the hard
shifting and hunting that it has done in its lifetime...

Post by AL
Without a doubt, Lexus produces very fine cars. However the
current LS 460 is not a very fine looking car. The front
and rear do not blend very well, the dash has a high hump
and that ugly marble wood they offer needs to go. The
previous LS 430 was very elegant and had a well blended
design. They sold very well. Maybe it is the economy but
I think the uninspired design has not been well received.
The ES and GS have much better lines as I see it and
offer a greater value.
Al