Discussion:
Feds Investigate Toyota Highway-Speed Random Stalling Problem
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john
2009-12-06 17:57:57 UTC
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"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.

Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
Sir F. A. Rien
2009-12-06 23:46:35 UTC
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Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
Are you a troll for Ford or Nissan?
dr_jeff
2009-12-07 00:02:31 UTC
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Post by Sir F. A. Rien
Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
Are you a troll for Ford or Nissan?
Don't forget GM, Fiat, Honda and Kia.
s***@some.domain
2009-12-07 05:42:03 UTC
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Post by john
Post by Sir F. A. Rien
Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-
probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
Post by Sir F. A. Rien
Are you a troll for Ford or Nissan?
Don't forget GM, Fiat, Honda and Kia.
he was a spy for yugo.
Sir F. A. Rien
2009-12-07 16:49:23 UTC
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Post by dr_jeff
Post by Sir F. A. Rien
Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
Are you a troll for Ford or Nissan?
Don't forget GM, Fiat, Honda and Kia.
Car, Fiat, Empty ... !
ransley
2009-12-07 12:27:14 UTC
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Post by Sir F. A. Rien
Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/aut...
Are you a troll for Ford or Nissan?
He is posting facts, but what are you a toyota employee, answer the
fact a probe is opened, so toyota has sold alot of defective crap over
the last few years, its a fact. The new camry trans that slips, the
earlier sludge engines, the wrong pinion gears in pickups, now go sell
anothe toyota, I own one, but next time its a Ford, made in the USA
where the money stays.
hls
2009-12-07 00:25:31 UTC
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Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091205/AUTO01/912050334/1148/auto01/Feds-probe-stalling-reports-in-2-Toyota-models
Neither of mine ever stalled. I had a GM Buick Regal that was a deathtrap,
until I
built a fire under GM... Seems they knew there was a bad run of ECMs but
never had
a recall. Freaking dealership took my car in multiple times, but never read
the TSBs .

A new run ECM cured the problem, but not without a fight.
Desertphile
2009-12-07 16:18:06 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
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Jeff Strickland
2009-12-07 16:28:54 UTC
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Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Desertphile
2009-12-07 23:36:56 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:28:54 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
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dr_jeff
2009-12-07 23:45:03 UTC
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Post by Desertphile
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:28:54 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
Sometimes it is the car's fault. Sometimes it the driver's.
Jeff Strickland
2009-12-08 02:57:34 UTC
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Post by dr_jeff
Post by Desertphile
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:28:54 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
Sometimes it is the car's fault. Sometimes it the driver's.
An engine that stalls while crusing is never the driver's fault. Maybe the
stall at the intersection can be pegged on the driver, but when a car is
cruising down the highway at cruising speed and the engine shuts down, it's
never the driver's fault.
Jeff Strickland
2009-12-08 02:55:17 UTC
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Post by Desertphile
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:28:54 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
At 70mph, there's not much the driver can do to stall the motor.
hls
2009-12-08 15:12:17 UTC
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Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:28:54 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
At 70mph, there's not much the driver can do to stall the motor.
I had a Sonoma stall on me twice the other day at the posted speed limit.
It was a cold day and I hadnt warmed the engine before I started out.

I could have taken the time to let the engine warm up. I guess that made
it my fault?
Jeff Strickland
2009-12-08 16:43:17 UTC
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Post by hls
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:28:54 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
Yeah, it's a bitch when they "believe" the car stopped running on the
highway for no apparent reason. Stupid people.
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
At 70mph, there's not much the driver can do to stall the motor.
I had a Sonoma stall on me twice the other day at the posted speed limit.
It was a cold day and I hadnt warmed the engine before I started out.
I could have taken the time to let the engine warm up. I guess that made
it my fault?
The report was that the car was being driven on the freeway when the engine
shut down for no apparent reason. Some might call that a stall. None would
agree that such an event could be driver induced.

You pull out of the neighborhood with a cold motor and the engine stalls as
you pull up to the traffic light is an entirely different matter. But if the
car will not idle, it's broken. Do you care? Apparently not. Is it critical?
No. But if you were cruising along on the freeway and the engine took the
opportunity to shut off for no reason, I'm pretty sure you would be
concerned.
hls
2009-12-09 22:54:01 UTC
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Post by Jeff Strickland
The report was that the car was being driven on the freeway when the
engine shut down for no apparent reason. Some might call that a stall.
None would agree that such an event could be driver induced.
You pull out of the neighborhood with a cold motor and the engine stalls
as you pull up to the traffic light is an entirely different matter. But
if the car will not idle, it's broken. Do you care? Apparently not. Is it
critical? No. But if you were cruising along on the freeway and the engine
took the opportunity to shut off for no reason, I'm pretty sure you would
be concerned.
In the case of the Sonoma, the car was not properly warmed up, but DID
stall twice under driving conditions. It had never done this before, nor
did
it repeat after total warmul.

In the case of the damned Buick Regal I referenced, this thing would shut
down wherever the heck it wanted to, warm or cold, any speed.
It WAS a bad ECU.
I was exasperated after having gone to the Buick dealership 6-7 times
and they always told me the mechanic couldnt make it act up. The last
time, I told them to let me ride with the mechanic and I would show them,
but they refused. I asked them to check the TSBs on this car, and they
assured
me that they had. (Lie!)

On the way back to my office, the damn thing died on the freeway 3-4 times.

Now mad as hell, I called GM until I found was would be referred to as a
zone representative and told them that this damned car was going to get me
killed.
Immediately the representative told me that they knew all about it, there
had been
TSBs on this, and the problem was defective run of ECMs.

About two hours later, the shop foreman at the dealership called me, mad as
hell.
WHY DID I CALL GM AND EMBARASS THEM! Because, you simple shit,
this car was going to kill me, and I had exhausted every avenue with him and
with
the mechanics. About a half hour later the owner of the dealership called
me
personally and apologized.

Moral: Not everybody at GM is a shit and incompetent, but some are. Any
car
with defective systems can kill you. And sometimes you have to take the
crusade
to the edge of Jerusalem before you get any satisfaction.
Jeff Strickland
2009-12-10 00:00:48 UTC
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Post by hls
Post by Jeff Strickland
The report was that the car was being driven on the freeway when the
engine shut down for no apparent reason. Some might call that a stall.
None would agree that such an event could be driver induced.
You pull out of the neighborhood with a cold motor and the engine stalls
as you pull up to the traffic light is an entirely different matter. But
if the car will not idle, it's broken. Do you care? Apparently not. Is it
critical? No. But if you were cruising along on the freeway and the
engine took the opportunity to shut off for no reason, I'm pretty sure
you would be concerned.
In the case of the Sonoma, the car was not properly warmed up, but DID
stall twice under driving conditions. It had never done this before, nor
did
it repeat after total warmul.
Why do you bring this shit up?

The issue we are discussing is the Matrix and Yaris that after becoming
fully warmed up, stall on the freeway while doing freeway speeds. The
comment I made was that the driver can't do anything in this condition to
cause a stall, and I said this in reaponse to some yahoo that said the
driver was at fault.
hls
2009-12-10 13:12:42 UTC
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Post by Jeff Strickland
Why do you bring this shit up?
Because I wanted to , and it is appropriate, regardless of the make and
model.
Wayne
2009-12-10 16:24:43 UTC
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Post by hls
Post by Jeff Strickland
The report was that the car was being driven on the freeway when the
engine shut down for no apparent reason. Some might call that a stall.
None would agree that such an event could be driver induced.
You pull out of the neighborhood with a cold motor and the engine stalls
as you pull up to the traffic light is an entirely different matter. But
if the car will not idle, it's broken. Do you care? Apparently not. Is it
critical? No. But if you were cruising along on the freeway and the
engine took the opportunity to shut off for no reason, I'm pretty sure
you would be concerned.
In the case of the Sonoma, the car was not properly warmed up, but DID
stall twice under driving conditions. It had never done this before, nor
did
it repeat after total warmul.
In the case of the damned Buick Regal I referenced, this thing would shut
down wherever the heck it wanted to, warm or cold, any speed.
It WAS a bad ECU.
I was exasperated after having gone to the Buick dealership 6-7 times
and they always told me the mechanic couldnt make it act up. The last
time, I told them to let me ride with the mechanic and I would show them,
but they refused. I asked them to check the TSBs on this car, and they
assured
me that they had. (Lie!)
On the way back to my office, the damn thing died on the freeway 3-4 times.
Now mad as hell, I called GM until I found was would be referred to as a
zone representative and told them that this damned car was going to get me
killed.
Immediately the representative told me that they knew all about it, there
had been
TSBs on this, and the problem was defective run of ECMs.
About two hours later, the shop foreman at the dealership called me, mad
as hell.
WHY DID I CALL GM AND EMBARASS THEM! Because, you simple shit,
this car was going to kill me, and I had exhausted every avenue with him
and with
the mechanics. About a half hour later the owner of the dealership
called me
personally and apologized.
Moral: Not everybody at GM is a shit and incompetent, but some are. Any
car
with defective systems can kill you. And sometimes you have to take the
crusade
to the edge of Jerusalem before you get any satisfaction.
-
LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went Toyota. If a
GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more confidence that Toyota
can/will fix it.
C. E. White
2009-12-10 18:02:36 UTC
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Post by Wayne
LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went
Toyota. If a GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more
confidence that Toyota can/will fix it.
This is exactly the sort of claim that drives me crazy. Toyota is far
more aggressive at denying problem, fighting recalls and misleading
Customer than GM ever was. I don't care for GM cars, and would agree
that in the last ten to fifteen years the average Toyota is probably
better assembled than the average GM product (just an opinion). But
you are never going to convince me that Toyota bends over backward to
please their Customers. Look at the recent history - Rusting truck
frames - Toyota did zip until NHTSA treatened a recall. Massive truck
balljoint failures - Toyota repeately lied about the extent of the
problem and did nothing until NHTSA treatened a recall. Sludge prone
engines - Toyota did nothing until the publicity was so bad they had
to give in, but they still tried to lay ALL the blame on their
Customers. How about V6 head gasket failures - ever bit as bad as the
problems Ford or GM had and the response was at least as draconian.

Claims that "Toyota can/will fix it" are just idle hopes. Maybe they
will, or maybe they will say the problem is all your fault.

At least in the case of GM products, it is often the dealer, not GM
that is the stumbling block to having a problem farily resolved. I
suppose this is GM fault, except state franchise laws being what they
are, GM often has very little leverage when it comes to making dealers
more responsive.

Ed
Wayne
2009-12-10 20:13:28 UTC
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Post by Wayne
LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went Toyota.
If a GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more confidence that
Toyota can/will fix it.
This is exactly the sort of claim that drives me crazy. Toyota is far more
aggressive at denying problem, fighting recalls and misleading Customer
than GM ever was. I don't care for GM cars, and would agree that in the
last ten to fifteen years the average Toyota is probably better assembled
than the average GM product (just an opinion). But you are never going to
convince me that Toyota bends over backward to please their Customers.
Look at the recent history - Rusting truck frames - Toyota did zip until
NHTSA treatened a recall. Massive truck balljoint failures - Toyota
repeately lied about the extent of the problem and did nothing until NHTSA
treatened a recall. Sludge prone engines - Toyota did nothing until the
publicity was so bad they had to give in, but they still tried to lay ALL
the blame on their Customers. How about V6 head gasket failures - ever bit
as bad as the problems Ford or GM had and the response was at least as
draconian.
Claims that "Toyota can/will fix it" are just idle hopes. Maybe they will,
or maybe they will say the problem is all your fault.
At least in the case of GM products, it is often the dealer, not GM that
is the stumbling block to having a problem farily resolved. I suppose this
is GM fault, except state franchise laws being what they are, GM often has
very little leverage when it comes to making dealers more responsive.
Ed
My statement is based on limited Toyota experience. Over the years, I have
had several GM vehicles that all were like lean and hungry animals that
tried to eat me out of house and home. My only Toyota was a Lexus RX-300
that went 11 years with routine tire/brake/dealer maintenance, and the ONLY
failure in the car was a burned out lamp on the dash that indicates that the
shift is set to "Drive". Just bought a new car....GM was not considered.
Ed White
2009-12-11 17:00:45 UTC
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Post by Wayne
LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went Toyota.
If a GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more confidence that
Toyota can/will fix it.
This is exactly the sort of claim that drives me crazy. Toyota is far more
aggressive at denying problem, fighting recalls and misleading Customer
than GM ever was. I don't care for GM cars, and would agree that in the
last ten to fifteen years the average Toyota is probably better assembled
than the average GM product (just an opinion). But you are never going to
convince me that Toyota bends over backward to please their Customers.
Look at the recent history - Rusting truck frames - Toyota did zip until
NHTSA treatened a recall. Massive truck balljoint failures - Toyota
repeately lied about the extent of the problem and did nothing until NHTSA
treatened a recall. Sludge prone engines - Toyota did nothing until the
publicity was so bad they had to give in, but they still tried to lay ALL
the blame on their Customers. How about V6 head gasket failures - ever bit
as bad as the problems Ford or GM had and the response was at least as
draconian.
Claims that "Toyota can/will fix it" are just idle hopes. Maybe they will,
or maybe they will say the problem is all your fault.
At least in the case of GM products, it is often the dealer, not GM that
is the stumbling block to having a problem farily resolved. I suppose this
is GM fault, except state franchise laws being what they are, GM often has
very little leverage when it comes to making dealers more responsive.
Ed
My statement is based on limited Toyota experience.  Over the years, I have
had several GM vehicles that all were like lean and hungry animals that
tried to eat me out of house and home.  My only Toyota was a Lexus RX-300
that went 11 years with routine tire/brake/dealer maintenance, and the ONLY
failure in the car was a burned out lamp on the dash that indicates that the
shift is set to "Drive".  Just bought a new car....GM was not considered.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You when you get a Toyota clunker (and they make them all the time)
and Toyota tells you the car is perfect and all the problems are your
fault, what will you do then?

Ed
Desertphile
2009-12-11 20:55:35 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:00:45 -0800 (PST), Ed White
Post by Ed White
You when you get a Toyota clunker (and they make them all the time)
and Toyota tells you the car is perfect and all the problems are your
fault, what will you do then?
If that ever happens, we'll be sure to let you know.
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hls
2009-12-11 21:07:37 UTC
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Post by C. E. White
Post by Wayne
LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went Toyota.
If a GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more confidence that
Toyota can/will fix it.
This is exactly the sort of claim that drives me crazy.
***
I find that the mechanic who works on the car is a very important part of
this problem. Neither a GM or a Toyota should stall if in good working
order, except under special conditions.

Some of the dealership and independent mechanics here are pretty poorly
trained, but I will say that there are some who are excellent - masters at
what they do. The attitude of some shops seems to be "rush it out the
door and make room for another", rather that "let's fix this tough dog
for once and for all".

Every manufacturer will have some problem runs from time to time. There
are too many links in the supply chain to total avoid it.

But when it happens, people remember how they are treated, and what
effort the shop make to work with them to solve the problem.

My $0.02

Steve Austin
2009-12-11 12:30:03 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by hls
Post by Jeff Strickland
The report was that the car was being driven on the freeway when the
engine shut down for no apparent reason. Some might call that a stall.
None would agree that such an event could be driver induced.
You pull out of the neighborhood with a cold motor and the engine stalls
as you pull up to the traffic light is an entirely different matter. But
if the car will not idle, it's broken. Do you care? Apparently not. Is it
critical? No. But if you were cruising along on the freeway and the
engine took the opportunity to shut off for no reason, I'm pretty sure
you would be concerned.
In the case of the Sonoma, the car was not properly warmed up, but DID
stall twice under driving conditions. It had never done this before, nor
did
it repeat after total warmul.
In the case of the damned Buick Regal I referenced, this thing would shut
down wherever the heck it wanted to, warm or cold, any speed.
It WAS a bad ECU.
I was exasperated after having gone to the Buick dealership 6-7 times
and they always told me the mechanic couldnt make it act up. The last
time, I told them to let me ride with the mechanic and I would show them,
but they refused. I asked them to check the TSBs on this car, and they
assured
me that they had. (Lie!)
On the way back to my office, the damn thing died on the freeway 3-4 times.
Now mad as hell, I called GM until I found was would be referred to as a
zone representative and told them that this damned car was going to get me
killed.
Immediately the representative told me that they knew all about it, there
had been
TSBs on this, and the problem was defective run of ECMs.
About two hours later, the shop foreman at the dealership called me, mad
as hell.
WHY DID I CALL GM AND EMBARASS THEM! Because, you simple shit,
this car was going to kill me, and I had exhausted every avenue with him
and with
the mechanics. About a half hour later the owner of the dealership
called me
personally and apologized.
Moral: Not everybody at GM is a shit and incompetent, but some are. Any
car
with defective systems can kill you. And sometimes you have to take the
crusade
to the edge of Jerusalem before you get any satisfaction.
-
LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went Toyota. If a
GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more confidence that Toyota
can/will fix it.
While I would rather own a Toyota than a GM (car), I do believe that GM
engine management systems are a class above Toyota's.
ben91932
2009-12-10 07:53:58 UTC
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Post by hls
I had a Sonoma stall on me twice the other day at the posted speed limit.
It was a cold day and I hadnt warmed the engine before I started out.
I could have taken the time to let the engine warm up.  I guess that made
it my fault?
Not just no but hell no.
Our modern cars are designed to be started and driven immediately.
A car that quits running is broken, plain and simple. Drivers cant
pedal pump or drag the brakes or anything else to force a good woring
new car to stall or quit at any speed.
Ben
ben91932
2009-12-10 07:50:00 UTC
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Post by Jeff Strickland
Post by Desertphile
Yes, it is a bitch when they believe it was the cars' fault and
not the drivers'.
At 70mph, there's not much the driver can do to stall the motor.
I agree.. someone set me straight and tell me how a driver could cause
the car to quit on the freeway...please!
Ben
ben91932
2009-12-10 07:47:33 UTC
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Post by Desertphile
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:57:57 -0800 (PST), john
Post by john
Consumers "allege stalls occurring randomly while driving, including
some on highways and some in intersections," the agency stated."
People believe a lot of things. =YAWN!= Come back when there's
actual evidence of a problem.
The stalling at cruise *is* evidence. Cars aint supposed to do that.
Ben
studio
2009-12-08 04:59:03 UTC
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Post by john
"Federal safety officials have opened a probe into two models of
Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles after drivers reported that their cars
stalled in traffic, sometimes at highway speeds.
I had a 1989 Toyota pickup that tried doing that at highway speeds.
For some reason the electronic part that stops the engine from
dieseling after you turn it off was defective and the culprit.
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